28 January, 2012

CHUCK Vs. the Goodbye: 5.13 - Skinny Love


Today I write the final review ever of a new network run episode of CHUCK. It has been quite a run. What a way to finish. You can check out my review of episode 5.12 first by clicking this link.

By that, I don't mean what a great way to finish, nor do I mean what a crappy way to finish. Though, depending on the comments I have already read all over the Internet, you'd think this was the best possible finish or the worst. I don't think it is either of those.

It is a finish.

Could they have done it differently? Yes. Should they have? I think so. But will it ruin the entire show for me now that it is over? I doubt it, but then I'm not hyperbolic enough to allow these things to ruin a whole series for me. Plus, I didn't think it was done terribly or anything. I just don't think it reached its maximum potential.

Launching off from the previous episode, Sarah is on the hunt for Quinn, who is running around shopping for pieces of some device that will allow him to update and manipulate the Intersect in any way he wants. There may be some issue with canon here since the Intersect has been updated and changed a few times already. Why are these three separate elements that make one key of power so necessary? Not that it really matters because the Intersect as a overarching story device has never seemed all that thought out anyway.

So, Quinn is on a plane, with Sarah as a stowaway, buying another piece of this device from a former Fulcrum agent played by the brilliant Mark Pellegrino. Probably the best line of the season is delivered here, only because it is so true.

Edgar: You do realize it's only one part of the key. There are two other pieces.
Quinn: I do. My sources tell me a former member of The Ring acquired one from Volkoff a few years back.
Edgar: The Ring. [pause] What amateurs.

YES! THEY WERE!

Can I just say how I love watching Pellegrino in pretty much anything? The guy is a master at his craft. He could make George Lucas' dialogue seem brilliant.

Anyway, so Quinn notices that Sarah is on the plane and they have a little shootout that results in Sarah falling out of a perfectly good airplane, unconscious, to her death.

Alright so she lives and lands at a beach.

Back at home, Chuck wakes up with Morgan in bed with him (I guess the bearded one needed to snuggle) with Awesome and Ellie there to motivate him to find Sarah and turn her back to loving him.

We see Casey and Beckman discussing him going soft, which is not a sexual metaphor. The general wants the ruthless colonel. He wants to grunt.

To find his dearest love, Chuck gets the now totally in on it Jeff and Lester to utilize their super stalker strike force of Buy Morons. This is of course ridiculous but it made me laugh and gave some of those background actors who have been on the show for years a moment to shine and get some dialogue.

Sarah shows up at the Nerd Herd desk, like some bizarro universe callback to the first episode, and Chuck agrees to team up with her to find Quinn, who is on the quest to put together the one key of power.

That search takes us back to a restaurant much like the one Chuck and Sarah went to in the pilot episode (more callbacks) and it then results in them having to dance on the ballroom to get some intel (callback to episode 3 of season 3). That intel then takes them to a Wienerlicious (callback to season 1) where Sarah displays not just residual memory of the past but also demonstrates how deadly she is with two tiny wooden sticks (callback to episode 2 of season 1).

Quinn escapes when Casey's helicopter of armed-to-the-teeth operatives is accidentally shot down by Chuck when he fires a warning shot into the air. It's stupid, but I laughed.

Casey: Hey! Is that my Desert Eagle? You shot down my helicopter with my own damn gun!

So Casey arrests the team, or something, and puts Chuck and Sarah in separate cells (a kind of callback to season 2 episode 21?) where they discuss things, as a tied up Morgan argues with his future father-in-law about gaining his edge back.

Morgan: Your team was your edge, you giant jackass! What is wrong with you, man? You wanna find Quinn? You know who to call. But don't you dare try to blame this on us because you're afraid! That's right. You're afraid that with us that's when you're the best! And that's the truth, man.

I get it, a scene created to inject more drama into the show but it feels like it takes something away from Casey to have him somewhat turn on his friends just to get talked into doing the right thing. Haven't we already gotten past this stuff?

Casey releases the gang and Sarah tries to run off on her own but is stopped by a gun wielding Mama B. Here we get what is probably the cutest and funniest moment of the night (and maybe a top cute/funny moment of the season, if not the series) when Awesome and Ellie walk in on the happening and Devon covers baby Clara's eyes.

Awesome: Gramma, what did we say about baby Clara seeing firearms?
Mama B: [putting the weapon down] It's a no-no. I'm sorry. [to Clara] Your Meme loves you!

Too damn cute.

So Ellie tells Chuck that the ability to modify the Intersect could give them the ability to make Sarah remember everything. This of course means one of two things. Chuck will get the Intersect back and use it on Sarah, or something totally stupid will happen to keep him from doing it. Obviously the writers went with option two.

They track Quinn to a symphony where Beckman is wired to blow up once the music ends. Chuck and Sarah track down Quinn as Casey and Morgan try to figure out the bomb. They discover it is set to go off once the music stops and so Jeffster puts on their final performance, of Ah-Ha's Take On Me, to save the day, with Morgan directing the orchestra. Yes, it is totally stupid but I laughed and enjoyed it.

On the roof of the building, Sarah kills Quinn and Chuck has to Intersect himself with the glasses Quinn had so he can defuse the bomb. Oh no! He has to sacrifice his ability to get her memories back to save his friends! He Intersects himself and then is able to open up the bomb but only to realize he can't defuse it. Oh no! He is going to lose his friends and his wife for no reason! But then Sarah suggest he use a porn virus (callback to episode 1 season 1) and Chuck saves the day with Sarah's residual memory!

And they lived happily ever after.

No? Not yet. Okay, apparently there is more angst to go around because the show needs those ratings to go up so we can get... oh wait... the show is over? So why are we spending this much time on a McGuffin?

Back at Castle, Beckman and Casey say their goodbyes, as if the show is coming to an end. Casey hugs Chuck and then goes off to find his Gertrude. Beckman goes off to sit in a comfortable chair.

Jeffster gets a record contract in Germany.

Big Mike gets one scene.

Subway has apparently bought the Buy More.

Morgan and Alex are moving in together.

Ellie and Awesome, with baby Clara, are moving to Chicago to work at a new hospital (well, baby Clara is probably going to just chill out for a few years before she starts working at the hospital).

Chuck finds Sarah on the beach (callback to the end of episode 1 of season 1) where he tells her about their life together and we get a fan-video montage of events from the series. Chuck and Sarah kiss and the camera pulls out as we fade to black.

The end.

Now let me just point out the biggest problem I have with this episode. It is too centered on how Sarah's memory loss affects Chuck. And essentially, ONLY Chuck. What about her relationship with the rest of the family and friends? What about five seasons worth of her gaining the love and respect of these people? Why do they all seem so detached from the experience of losing someone they care about? It's as if she is just some girlfriend of Chuck's that they didn't much like.

Ellie is supposed to be a neurosomething doctor thingy. Why doesn't she hypnotize Sarah? Why doesn't she seem more concerned about what is going on? Everything is too conveniently written to move those two toward the beach so we can have an open ended callback moment that is kind of satisfying.

Watching Ellie in her final scene, it was like "Oh well, I'm a neurowhatever but I'm kind of over this Sarah chick... okay, I could put on the wedding DVD and refresh her memory but frak that gotta go to Chicago bye!!!"

Seriously? Not even an attempt to refresh her memory? Really, playa?

Plus, by going out on the need for the audience to imagine that Sarah eventually got her memories back and they lived happily ever after, the writers put it in the hands of those who don't like to have to imagine these things to get over the fact that their final moment with Chuck and Sarah was one where Sarah most likely didn't remember the last five years, only knowing what happened based on what Chuck told her. To those people, it feels cheap. A cheat even. A slap in the face to some. And it wasn't necessary to end it this way. The writers could have satisfied all camps by adding a line where Sarah admits she remembers... something from his story telling. So, I can sympathize with people who feel the ending is terrible, even if I don't agree with them.

If I had to rate this episode, I'd give it:

83 out of 100

It didn't leave me feeling totally satisfied at the end. The episode spent most of its time setting up a spy story that really didn't have much weight or importance to it in the grand scheme of things. I would much rather have seen the writers spend the final half hour wrapping up satisfying and powerful moments between all our characters than what they delivered. Though, I'm not unhappy enough with it to burn down my living-room and break all my DVDs. It's just a tad underwhelming while still leaving me with a bit of satisfaction.

Still, I'd prefer a RETURN OF THE KING, or LOST, or BATTLESTAR GALACTICA extended character ending any day to this. And I feel like the writers didn't deliver the best they could have done. Though, this ending actually helped make the finale easier on me. I will miss it, but not as much as I would have had it been better executed.

Edit: The podcast we did for the finale is out. WARNING, lots of filthy dirty language. Not for kids, just very mature adults who like horrible language.

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438 comments:

  1. I loved 5.12 but am so disappointed in 5.13 that it made me cry. I'm so angry at the writers. You were too nice in your review. It should be a 20 out of 100! Why would Fedak do this to us?

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    1. I disagree. Not that it was disapointing but he gave the right score. The first hour was much better than the second. But they obviously lived happily ever after but Magnus nailed it when he said the others should have been more upset and cared more about what happened to Sarah. She wasn't just Chuck's Sarah.

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  2. Totally Agree.
    I feel like the ending , It didn't give me ... how do u say it, closure?

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  3. "Ellie is supposed to be a neurosomething doctor thingy. Why doesn't she hypnotize Sarah? Why doesn't seem seem more concerned about what is going on? Everything is too conveniently written to move those two toward the beach so we can have an open ended callback moment that is kind of satisfying.

    Watching Ellie in her final scene, it was like "Oh well, I'm a neurowhatever but I'm kind of over this Sarah chick... okay, I could put on the wedding DVD and refresh her memory but frak that gotta go to Chicago bye!!!"

    Seriously? Not even an attempt to refresh her memory? Really, playa?"

    YES, THANK YOU. I mean...What the fuck, Ellie?! At the very least you couldn't have drug out your silly little pen and waved it around for a second?

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  4. How much did you throw up in your mouth when there was a clip from Business Trip in the final beach memory montage? LOL!

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  5. I thought Ellie cared quite a bit when she almost died crashing her car. I don't think I'd do that for just 'anyone'.

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    1. That and Ellie did that to save Chuck. At least that is what she said. And with Sarah not wearing a seatbelt and the way Ellie crashed the car it was much more likely that Sarah was killed, which I felt was a risk Ellie was willing to take in order to save Chuck, because she seemed to consider Sarah gone.

      Chuck was the only one believing he could get her back in 5.12. Casey also didn´t want Chuck to go anywhere with Sarah, because he feared to lose them both. Anyway that really belongs on the review.

      I just want to add, that you summed up my feelings for 5.13 pretty well. I don´t much mind imagining how Chuck and Sarah get together again, but I hated how the last five years of Sarah´s life seemed to ONLY matter in how they affected Chuck. That sucked and objectified Sarah more than any skimpy outfit ever did in my opinion.

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  6. You said pretty much exactly what I'm feeling, HGF. My general feeling of it was that it was satisfactory but not fully satisfying, and you shared my biggest objection.

    I said it on Chuckgasmic, but I think it was a big step backwards right at the finish line to go with the attitude of "Chuck and Sarah [and their romance] are the heart of the show". That was the s4 attitude and the other characters and the plots really suffered for it. Up to this point, s5 had it done right with focusing on the team as a family and how they all matter to each other, because to me *that's* the heart of the show.

    Ellie and Casey were probably Sarah's most meaningful Burbank relationships aside from Chuck. I agree that for their personal character arcs those ends made sense, but to basically take them entirely away from Sarah like this when she's that much in need of their support as friends really sucks for her. Leaving a strong woman like Sarah so dependent solely on Chuck for the foreseeable future kind of hits me the wrong way.

    You nailed it already with Ellie. And aside from Casey's one scene with the DVD and telling her they were friends, really, nothing. Just a handshake? Really? Maybe if this was s1 when they were professionally respectful but still sort of rivals. It sort of pisses me off that the writers made him give Chuck a hug but not Sarah. A basic "I'll be in touch, call me if you ever need anything" and a hug for her would have taken two freakin' seconds and said a lot.

    Cor

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  7. I loved the ending. It left me wanting more, but ended on a high note, full of hope. We know Sarah is in the process of having her memory restored, starting with initials in the house, the Weinerlicious, Irina Demova and the beach. Fedak and Schwarz have stated its intentionally implied that Sarah will have the past 5 years restored to her. I also like the subtle hints that adventures may happen again, particularly with Chuck ending up with the Intersect and Beckman's departing statements about "ever feel like you want to save the world again." Plus, we need to give Fedak and Schwarz a break. They made a tremendous final two episodes with little time left. With just 13 episodes (thanks NBC) we are left to fill in the blanks.

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  8. Not the ending I was hoping for. Preferably this arc would have started a little earlier, leaving more room for character endings. But honestly it would helped a lot with just a line from Sarah at the end.

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    1. That's my biggest complaint. They could have gotten rid of an episode or two and started this arc much sooner, giving it time fulfill properly. The last episode felt rushed.

      I thought 5.12 was fantastic. 5.13 was a little underwhelming because of the lead-in.

      Would I have liked a definite answer to whether Sarah remember? Absolutely, but it's pretty clear in my eyes that she was already starting to, and if not, she was falling in love with Chuck all over again.

      I don't see why they just didn't use the picture Chuck drew on the train to revive her. It would have been easy to do and while predictable, I think it would have worked a bit better.

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  9. 5.12 better than 5.13!!
    little bit disappointed about the last scene, it wasnt the end, it was an open ending, just like the past...
    i have to agree with you, at least she remembered chuck for god's sake after their "magical kiss"...but it was a beatiful sweet moment....love and hate it at the same time..f**k!!!
    OH MY GOD NO MORE CHUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NOW I'M CRAZY!!!!!!

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  10. i think the puropse of the ending was to show that the CS love story is just beginning not ending. i guess

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  11. I think having the wedding as the final ending, would have been better. And the last scene while they were kissing, would be much better if Sarah puts on her hand to Chuck's face, before it fades. Or they kissed so passionately before it faded. Then, we'll know Sarah might have remembered.

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    1. I liked tbe ending , but I agree with you . She should have pulled out of the kiss mid way , then they look at each other and SHE kisses him like back in hard salami .

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  12. I loved the finale including the ending. I do agree that the other characters gave up on Sarah too quickly but overall very happy with it

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  13. I thing you nailed the biggest problem with this whole arc: everyone's total lack of concern about Sarah. Even Chuck seemed a little more focused on how losing Sarah would impact him than on the fact that his wife, who he presumably still loves, is wandering around all Jason Bourne-like.

    As for the ending, I can live with it, because it is clearly meant to be hopeful and upbeat, but I agree that it was unnecessarily something for at least a part of the audience. Arty? Cruel? I don't know. It felt like writing students trying to be overly clever. Or French.

    It wouldn't even have required a full memory reboot to address this, just some indication that Sarah remembered something specifically about Chuck and not just porn viruses and her fabulous career selling hot dogs.

    Jim

    P.S. Plots aside, Yvonne and (maybe to a lesser degree) Zac did fantastic jobs these last few episodes. I really hope they both find greater success/recongnition than Chuck was able to give them.

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    1. Morgan actually had to remind Chuck, that he presumably still loved Sarah before the beach scene. Chuck considered himself not in love anymore.

      Maybe that was kind of fitting, as Sarah was the one truly concerned about the intersect changing Morgan, when Chuck and Casey believed he had just turned douchy.

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  14. I agree with both sides. I do however lean more to the side of disappointment!! I like the last comment that it is just the beginning of there love story, but we could have had a bit more closure. I have never been addicted to any show more than Chuck. Alias was somewhat, but never to the extreme which does disturb me a bit.. Nonetheless, I would have to vote for a little less implication And a little more certainty.

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  15. The two-cells callback was actually to Chuck and Sarah talking through the walls of adjoining cells in Pink Slip. See how totally even the supposed fans of Season 3 have forgotten that silly episode. In Colonel (2.21), Chuck and Sarah were in the same cell and had that powerful "two beds?" moment.

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    1. Yes, but they were in a cell together in Castle in 2.21. Combine the two and it's a double homage.

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  16. So a satisfying ending for Fedak and Schwartz translates in :

    - The main couple left hanging Chuck being in love with her but Sarah not feeling the same way about him
    - Sarah loosing all the progress and relationships she built in the last 5 years not only her love for Chuck but the friendships she built with Casey,Morgan,Ellie,Awesome

    For their cowardly way to go out by providing a controversy ending that ensures they will get mass reactions instead of a proper send off for the characters i hope Fedak & Schwartz next gig will be writing for high school drama club

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    1. You mean "losing" not "loosing." Lose is what you did when the other team scores more points. Loose is what a slut or an untied knot is.

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    2. Sorry for my grammar but the ending is a giant slap in the face for everyone who stuck with the show since 2007
      One would expect Fedak and Schwartz might be a emotional invested in the show,the characters and the fans
      What they did with the ending shows its just another job for them,they dont give a crap about the characters or the fans
      they just wanted a guarantee their names will be mentioned for a while after the show ends
      Controversy ensures that and its easier then coming up with a real ending

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    3. Not grammar, just spelling.

      I don't know if they did what they did because they wanted their names mentioned or whatever you just said. I think they genuinely thought it was a good idea.

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  17. I fucking hate Fedak and Schwarz! They fucked with us for years and now they fuck with us at the end? Fuck them and fuck all the writers and fuck anyone who fucking liked this bullshit! Worst finale ever!!

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    1. Anyone ever tell you that you have a problem with expressing yourself?

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  18. As I consider it this morning, I like the ending less and less, and you're right, there's a lot of problems. What about the Sarah Growth cycle we saw for five years. Even if she suddenly clicks back to remembering chuck, what about all the other things that were important and fun to watch without even being shipper stuff. All that is washed away.

    Meh..

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    1. Not washed away but essentially left up to the audience to imagine they mattered. I'm not sure the writers actually considered it. Or if they did, they didn't think it was going to matter to the general audience... and I bet it didn't. It just matters to those who were deeply invested in the characters.

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    2. Yeah, guess you're right. That's been my problem -- well one of many -- for some time on this show. I actually cared about how characters -- esp. Sarah -- developed.

      Oh well. At least Casey didn't throw up all over the head and Morgan and Alex didn't show up in Times Square.

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    3. You fool! Never care! Caring is for the weak!

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  19. This episode left me feeling sad, not for the show ending, but for everything that has been taken away from Sarah. I agree with Yvonne, tragic indeed.

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  20. I liked the ending..I agree with a lot of points here, and maybe I'd have written it differently, but we are left knowing that no matter if Sarah remembers right away or not, she and Chuck are going to be together and be happy. So whether she remembers with one magical kiss (which is possible for this show lol) or it takes her another 5 years to get it all back, it's still a happy ending for them.

    cynicalJ

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  21. I hope it's ok to post this here, since I really just need a place to vent and we're allowed to use bad language here. I'm a shipper who feels sad and disappointed by the finale. Actually loved ep 12, but was naive in thinking Sarah would regain her full memory by the end. When that didn't happen, I felt a loss so big that I erased the tape. Yes I still use a vcr. I invested in characters more than I should, and naively thought the payoff would be better than it was. What's sadder is that we don't have a next week to see how things turn out. Asking why seems pointless because it doesn't change the ending. But I was hoping that after posting this, I'd feel a bit of relief. I don't yet, but I'm sure I will eventually.

    If it's wrong to call you Magnus on this site, I apologize. But I've read your chuckgasmic site for a long time, and admired your commitment to the show, your honesty, and integrity. Thanks for the ride. Hope this site is just as fun for you as chuckgasmic was for this stupid shipper.

    Thanks for letting me rant.

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    1. Lots of people call me by my name, so no problem. And you can vent all you want.

      Though, you still have a VCR?!

      Here's my advice... go watch Chuck Versus the Honeymooners 20 times today.

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    2. Haha!! You made me laugh!! Thanks for that!

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    3. I was disappointed at first, but if you watch the final scene several times you'll notice several things. First at sarah all serious(old sarah), but as chuck starts to tell her their story she starts to break down and laugh/cry (sarah before mindwipe). Secondly the look on her face before she kissed him, its the look of someone falling in love. I personally think that she was falling for him all over again, did she get her memory back, maybe she will over time, but it doesn't really matter cause she fell for chuck and and she always will regardless of what happens.

      I will say that it was not the ending i wanted, because i like everything the signed sealed and delivered, but it was a good series finale ending because it made you think and ponder and come up with your own outcome. (Which should be a good outcome no matter what.)

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  22. well the ratings are in and episode 12 1.2 and episode 13 1.3 and now that easy for me to just right this but it's on this website
    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/01/28/tv-ratings-friday-abc-unscripted-wins-again-fringe-higher-chuck-up-in-finale/117881/

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  23. If you're angry about what happened instead of sad then I wonder whether you were emotionally invested at all

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  24. well I was heavily under the influence of Weed , so I feel very much into things. You have no Idea how much :)
    And in my opinion.
    Emptiness is the best expression. That's what I feel and I think once again the drama was more bigger than the actual resolution or pay off whatever.
    and also sadly in my mind its not the "Chuck kiss me", is the one who is keep repeating, but the " this is real, you realy love me . I'm sorry I did my job to well" devilish! sad smile. or the: " I believe you, I just not feel it I'm sorry for you last 5 years" The drama was stronger than the Redemption , sad but ture. And where I somehow can understand Sarah, I was hoped at least somehow she will feel something during the last episode , but all she was is kind of a robot. a person without soul maybe. and somehow she not even want it back for a second what she lost. all she want is escaping

    but maybe that is just me

    Once again you where right, they did kill a main carachter. Sarah Walker. :).
    5.12 was good , I was even hopeful, I hoped that she will feel something, they way Ellie and Chuck talk about her, I won't lie first i tought even that massage scene will be something like that, she will feel something during the massage :). please an extended scene !!!!! :). Yvonne huh
    I even smiled when Sarah did the whole Bryce thing and I was like, wow see what a woman Chuck just domesticated :).
    But I'm here and felt empty :(. and now Fedak, try to tell me what i Should feel, but just like Sarah, I not feel.
    This story could work, if they did this the middle of the season, and give us 2-3 episode, of Sarah slowly get back where she was, who she was. But for a series finale, I just can't accepted. may be I will later.
    What I know for sure is Yvonne will be missed, more than the Show, I think I still dont realized how much She will be missing for me.
    She is beatiful and extremly talented. and damn how Sexy she was in these last 2 :).
    Keep your Body fit Yvonne :)

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    1. Have you ever watched CHUCK... on weeeeeeed?!

      Oh, you have.

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    2. I did this before , that is why I chose to go out with style :).
      Now I here drinking Wine and may be I should sleep now. You will do the podcast today? :)

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    3. Yup, in a few hours. Should be Wendy, Amanda, and me. Maybe one or two more.

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  25. All they had to do was have her say "I Love you Chuck" after they kissed, and that actually might have been the perfect ending. Any how still enjoyed it, just could have been better.

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    1. Yep! Just one line would have made it work better. I still liked the finale and I don't feel the hatred some do but it could have been better. Like Magnus said here or at chuckgasmic this is not the best they could have done.

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  26. i dont think chuck vs the honeymooners is the best episode.. i dont like it at least. but i dont know if i would like an ending like 4.13 or 4.24. this ending is not bad. but its not good either. there is something with it...it makes u feel empty and full on the same time....i beleieve that after 5 years when i will be watching the episodes again i would then accept truly that tgis ending was the best for the show.

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  27. I think you pretty much summed it up perfectly. It's not the way I think they should have ended it, but it was the ending they chose. I certainly didn't love it but it also didn't ruin the whole series for me. The video diary was an interesting reveal and less sappy than I thought it would have been, surprisingly effective. One thing I had a problem with- amnesia is a pretty inherently cheesy storyline so why not take the gimicky way out and just give Sarah back all her memories when she wacks her head? Also, why even make that part of the action sequence if it wasn't going to play a part in her getting her memories back? It was almost like Fedak was taunting people with it. I think the other big thing is that for most fans this wasn't the way they wanted to come away from this series thinking of Sarah as a character. I think everyone wanted S.5 Sarah as kind of their last image of that character and how much she had changed, and I know I was personally disappointed with that. In addition to possibly starting the storyline earlier on in the season, I stand by a suggestion I made on Chuckgasmic over the summer; that they should have given Chuck the amnesia instead. I think it would have been a better story and it would have achieved the same goal they seemed to be shooting for. Sarah would have had to explain/convince amnesia Chuck why she fell for him, and show that it wasn't just the Intersect; plus wouldn't it have been the ultimate "callback" to show how much of a journey Chuck had been on? Of course I'd have given him back his memories by the end, but that's just me. Also, speaking of Chuck does he have the Intersect back now, or were the glasses just good for that one flash?

    Anyway, just wanted to again say thanks to Magnus for all you have done on this site and Chuckgasmic, and for this fandom. I know some people didn't always appreciate it, but you deserve a lot of credit. Looking forward to the podcast!

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    1. Thanks.

      Lots of people definitely didn't appreciate me and so I understand the rage Fedak is getting since I received it several times (mostly when telling people the truth they didn't want to hear).

      I am looking forward to recording the podcast. Though, it won't be my last CHUCK podcast. I think we will do several more before hanging it up and transitioning completely to this site.

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    2. The reason that doing it the other way around wouldn't have been is plausible is it's easy as hell to fall in love with Yvonne. If I woke up one day and someone told me I was married to her... hell, I'd need no convincing.

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    3. Chuck's a nerdy guy who works at a Buy More. We've been being told this for five seasons. His looks were never his hindrance.

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    4. Chuck would have no memories of his feelings for her though, so sure she's a gorgeous, blonde killer spy, but he'd still need to remember why he decided to marry her. And like I said it would have made more of an impact to me to have Sarah explain to a clueless Chuck all the real reasons she fell in love with him, the nerdy Buy More employee that he was.

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  28. "...the writers put it in the hands of those who don't like to have to imagine these things to get over the fact that their final moment with Chuck and Sarah was one where Sarah most likely didn't remember the last five years, only knowing what happened based on what Chuck told her. To those people, it feels cheap. A cheat even. A slap in the face to some."
    Thank you, for that, I really hate it when writers don't clearly reveal the end, like they expect me to be an over-enthusiastic person saying 'yaaay, she probably remembered all and they lived happily ever after'. Well, no, I'm the person who's slapped in the face.
    Also I agree with the Ellie thing, she brought back Morgan, why can't she even try to do the same with Sarah?

    But, I think you should have ended your article with crediting them for great 5 seasons, it would be bad if we had them all in bad memory just because we're not totally satisfied with the ending...

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  29. Saw something interesting on another forum, not sure if I agree with it at all, but it is an interesting viewpoint. This person was basically saying that you can now look at Chuck the show as Chuck's story to Sarah during the beach scene.

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  30. I was C over on Chuckgasmic earlier, and the final few minutes of 5.13 still feel like a mean-spirited sucker punch. Worse yet, they're a sucker punch coming from people who should damn well have known better than to try to film-school their way through an ending that was billed as being happy.

    It's easy to see what the writers were TRYING to do, and honestly? 5.12 and the vast majority of 5.13 were absolutely wonderful. They were a joy to watch even in the darkest parts -- funny and moving and emotional, and just lovely storytelling. When "Chuck" fired on all cylinders, there was no better show on TV, and this was one of television's all-time great casts. Unfortunately, it feels like the writers shot themselves in the foot due to sloppiness with details going into the final few minutes. What do we know about memory loss and the Intersect? That Morgan got most stuff back, but not all of it. Worse yet, that Sarah can recall details, but the episodes show her as consistently unable to associate them with who she was:

    - She knows that the Wienerlicious cups are out of order, but she doesn't make the connection to her previous employment there.

    - She realizes she was the one who carved her name into the dream house's wall, but she doesn't regain any especial feeling for Chuck as a result.

    - She knows what the Irene Demova virus was, but there's no sign that she's able to associate it with the day she fell in love with a computer geek.

    - She goes to the beach because she feels drawn to it, but no memory of that first date and dawn with Chuck resurfaces.

    Over and over again, we keep getting hammered with the feeling that, while she might regain her memory of the past five years, these memories might well be superficial, and she may not be able to reconstruct a coherent narrative of how she lived and loved. Moreover, Chuck can't make these leaps for her, and he can't fill in any details on events for which he wasn't present. Perhaps the most vicious irony of the last few minutes is that Sarah's left to try getting her memory back with a guy who, no matter how desperately he loved her, never actually knew her real name.

    The end reminds me a lot of "Solaris" and one of the points made in its examination of relationships -- principally, how Kelvin can't recreate a version of Rheya who isn't suicidal, confused, and afraid, because that's how he remembers her. We can only fall in love with what we know of people, not who they really are, and it is the worst betrayal of the Sarah Walker character for people to think she'll be totally fine if she can only become what Chuck himself knew of her. He doesn't know if she cried herself to sleep in the first few months over Bryce. He can't know what was going through her head while he was off with Jill or Hannah. He doesn't know what stupid, random little moments stayed with her, all the dumb stuff that people shouldn't remember but do, the little moments that quietly build our sense of ourselves and other people. And now, she doesn't either.

    (more below)

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  31. The other problem with the ending is that it casts a pall over the entire series: You're watching something that, at worst, Sarah won't remember at all and that, under the best of circumstances, we just HOPE she'll remember. She's easily the show's best character, so again with the sucker punch.

    If I stop thinking about consistency with details and accept what the writers were trying to do rather than what actually happened, I'd interpret the ending as -- no, she didn't instantly regain her full memory when Chuck kissed her, but she got it back over the next few weeks, perhaps faster if she moved back into the apartment with him and was kept in familiar circumstances with constant reminders of her previous life. (No thanks, as HGF observes, to the legion of characters in her life who have now taken off. What the hell?) I DESPERATELY want to believe that she got it all back instantly just because Morgan keeps harping on it, and Morgan has never once made an inaccurate observation concerning the Chuck/Sarah relationship. The other potential bright spot is that 5.12 and 5.13 take place only 24-48 hours after 5.11, and I really keep hoping that these early memories are only the first salvo in an avalanche that will follow, and that this avalanche will actually restore the true sense of self.

    But the consistency of what these episodes imply concerning her memory retention and how the whole is less than the sum of the parts just destroys me. There's what the showrunners say happened after the cameras stopped, and then there's what the script keeps trying to bonk you over the head with.

    I want to believe. I think the showrunners ultimately want you to believe, too. It's just that what they want you to believe runs counter to the soul-killing details that are explicitly present in both episodes.

    Strahovski missed her calling and probably should have gone into diplomacy. Reading back over her interviews on the finale, it's hard not to get the feeling that she was trying to say, as politely as possible, that she was uncomfortable with the ending too.

    Sorry to vent, Magnus. :(

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    1. And the screw just keeps turning!

      I just wish we could have spent even a portion of 5.12 and 5.13 with the Sarah we loved from the original series (which I think is another, perhaps subtler, problematic aspect of the end; the audience doesn't get Sarah back). If the showrunners wanted to go out with the same sense of quiet resolution that they did in "Push Mix," it would've been amazing to see one last family dinner as a send-off for Ellie and Awesome, everyone laughing and joking at the table while you catch a glimpse of C/S down the hall kissing.

      Sentimental, and I know that those things were apparently a nightmare to shoot, but it would have meant Sarah was at least in the company of people who knew and loved her for a little while longer, and that, even if the memory thing were still an issue, you'd have known everything was going to be okay.

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  32. By the way, what the hell are Chuck and Sarah going to do now to make a living. They lost the Volkoff money. They don't own the Buy More anymore. They aren't spies.

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    2. They owned and sold the Buy More, which likely equaled a lot of coin. They also still own Carmichael Industries and all of the tech. I can totally picture them moving forward with their computer security firm.

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    3. I can totally picture them moving forward with their computer security firm. Under the Buy More ? Or moving Carmichael Industries ? Yeah what did happen to the Volkoff money ? Did Decker spend it or give it to Shaw ?

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  33. Thank you so much for writing this. It summed up many of my thoughts and made me realize several other things that were subconsciously contributing to my dissatisfaction. I just can't understand why the producers thought this was a good idea and why not one other critical review I've read had any problems with it. ~Kelly

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    1. Critics are more like detached viewers. It is their job to watch TV. Plus, they have to deal with these show runners and writers, and actors for that matter, for the next few decades. I don't.

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  34. What annoys me the most is that I didn't get to say goodby to my favorite character. Sad really.

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    2. Funny.

      But it does feel like being denied to quality time with my friends that I never will see again.

      How they played the ending makes it feel like someone turned off the TV before the actual end. I feel cheated of the moment that would complete the show.

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  35. As I was watching this one I kept thinking to myself ; WOW what an amazing penultimate episode of the show . After it ended I was ready for the finale , it just never came lol

    After watching it the first time I felt satisfied and a little disappointed . I figured the ep would go pretty much exactly like that and we would only have like 5 minutes of closure for the characters . Only I had assumed that Sarah would have her entire memory back at the end . Well you know what they say when you assume .

    Upon rewatch , I went from satisfied to liking it . The ending still stings a little , but there are so many hints throughout the episode that Sarah is picking up on stuff . The dialogue in the Germany act is pretty telling also . The beginning of tbe ep every time Chuck was trying to talk to Sarah she kept interrupting him like she used to do all the time before they were together . But as the ep goes on she kind of softens a but and let's him talk a bit more . The Berlin act was pretty good at that and when they are locked up in castle talking through the wall , that conversation is telling because of the subject tey are talking about how one of tbe reasons she fell for chuck is because he was different than her ( killing wise ) .

    Skipping to the end , the beach scene .

    After pretty much the entire episode of not wanting to hear about " their story " because she couldn't feel it . Chuck breaks that wall down and she asks him to finally tell it . That's a pretty big development right there . So Chuck goes into it . The montage was totally cliche , but man was it a sight for sore eyes . Then the asks for the kiss . Another development . Then fade to black .
    The only thing I would have changed , would have been the mount of time they were on be beach . Should have showed them there in the daylight and ended with them at dusk . To get the feeling that they ad been there for a while having Chuck tell her about their life together . Then the kiss . That would have made it seem that she was remembering . The way they did it made it seem like he was there for 5 minutes giving her the cliff notes version of their relationship .

    That's how I saw it . But I also agree with everything Magnus said in his review as well .

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  36. Oh, forgot to mention, there was a moment after the car crash where Ellie said "I know my older brother".

    I mean, come ON. The biggest episode of the entire series and they can't even get their ages right?

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    2. Does she? My mistake if so. I was watching here in the UK on a sub-standard stream after it aired. I rewound it numerous times and if definitely sounded like 'older' to me. I dunno, I'm rubbish with American accents sometimes.

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  37. Worst part about this ending besides the lead couple left hanging losing everything they built in the last five years is that it shows us Chris Fedak is less creative then a chicken and he does not know how to be flexible and build a series finale
    Best proof for that is the series finale looking a lot like the season finales Other Guy or Push Mix

    Instead of giving the characters a good ending moving things forward Fedak decided it would be better if he filled the finale with as many crappy-kitcschy spy sequences he could think off and rush the characters send off

    Thank you Chris Fedak for being the type of person who only knows how to do things in one way
    this was a series finale my friend not a half season finale where you can sort things out in the following episodes

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  38. I forgot to add- I love the song reference in the title of this post. That will still be one of the best scenes of television ever in my mind. It was the episode that for me when I saw it I knew I had to watch every episode of the show.

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  39. Sad? Yes. Tragic? Yes. Bittersweet? Yes. Predictable? Anything but. I thought I knew how the series was going to end from the first episode of the new season. And I am both happy and grateful that like most of the series and my predictions, I was wrong. The show took us on an adventure and keep me on the edge of my seat until the last moments, which were both touching and beautiful. I can't remember another series finale to ever bookend a series with so much influence from the pilot, reminding us where these characters came from and where they are now. The progress and character development was on full display. A fitting end to one of the best shows on TV (ever).

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  40. The things i liked about the episode.

    I liked Casey in the helicopter following Chuck and Sarah and then getting shot down by Chuck.

    I thought that was funny.

    I liked when Casey was going to let everyone out Sarah was already starting to escape.

    I thought that was funny.


    I liked Mama Bartowski, Ellie, Devon and the baby Clara scene. that was funny.

    I liked Jeff and Lester in the entire episode and the ending that they got.

    Casey got the ending that i expected which was fine.


    The things i didn't like about the finale.

    I thought them introducing the point about the intersect being able to restore Sarah's memories was unnecessary given that it was just a set up for Chuck to use the intersect one more time only for him actually not to use it.

    Not to mention the Intersect restoring memories comes out of nowhere.

    When Sarah kept saying she was leaving after killing Quinn i kept expecting Chuck to say ''Your my wife damn it let my help through this''.

    Would your spouse leave you forever because she had amnesia??? absolutely not.

    You'd take them to the doctor and try ways to get her memories to come back.

    The very end scene was ambigious and i wouldn't have done that.

    The ending would have been fine if there was an episode 14 and 15 coming up but there's not.

    If you have the final episode of a series why not give a more clear cut resolution.

    I was not as bothered by it because if the story continues somewhere down the line whether it be in comic book form or a movie i'd imagine that Sarah will have her memories back by then.

    I agree i wanted longer goodbye's other than the rushed one's that we got.

    All in all it was a decent finale that was better than many of the series finales that have aired.

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  41. One of the reasons I like this ending is that the story sort of goes on. Sure, it negates the character development, but where Sarah was heading to (white house, picket fence, babies), that was kind of the end of the show that we loved (spies, geeks clumsily trying to be spies, etc.). With this, Sarah is "reset", but she is still the same person we started with and liked. Plus she is intrigued enough with this guy Chuck, and a possible person to love and trust, that she will obviously give him a chance to prove these things. And Chuck has the perfect intersect, so they are primed and ready for more adventures and more falling in love, just like we all loved at the beginning of the series. The other characters have moved off, but still around (not dead, surprisingly) for future interaction and relationship development, plus it opens the scene for future people in an inner circle/family, that was pretty full before.

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  42. I feel emotionally cheated and manipulated. I could accept this ending for CS if they hadn’t spent all season showing and telling us that CS dream is to settle down in that house (which they showed repeatedly) and raise a family. Now I’m left wondering if they ever did.

    I mean on some level and its clear form interviews that the “someday” did happen and that whether or not the kiss healed her immediately, Sarah will remember and love Chuck forever and ever.

    But I wanted to see that. They had a final season and series to show and build up to it and yet they didn’t. Why am I being left wondering after 5 seasons and on a show like Chuck that has ALWAYS delivered when it’s come to emotional resolutions? Why? So that Fedak can be all “arty” and “cool” and get people talking? That’s the love letter to the fans? He says he wants us to decide what happens next, but that’s what frakkin fanfic is for. I get that on some shows the open ended is suitable (hell I thought it was perfect on Skins S2 when we didn’t see if Sid found Cassie) but not for this show. Not after 5 years of watching CS overcome obstacles.

    I wanted closure. It didn’t even have to be seeing them with the white picket fence.
    After the finale I felt heartbroken. If this was a season finale it would have been great but as a series finale? I wanted to feel sad the show was ending but happy and hopeful for the characters. Instead I just feel sad. How is that a happy ending? When you leave the open ended to people, you’ll have some saying Sarah left straight after that kiss or changed even if she fell in love and while we know she didn’t...that possibility is still there because the writers left it there.

    And all this I haven’t even touched upon my favorite character losing all her memories and development outside of Chuck. Sarah deserved better. WE did deserved better. We didn’t see OUR Sarah in the final two eps. She was robbed of that and again so were we. It won’t ruin the entire series for me since I have no choice but to imagine my own happy ending (though on re-watch I’ll always be at the back of my mind, nagging me). I’m disappointed. You knew this was the end, and you gave us that and then you say it was satisfying. Well I’m sorry but that didn’t leave me satisfied.

    Also I know some prefer to think with "reset" Sarah they went on more adventures but Fedak said in an interview Chuck quit being a spy. So I think they just tried to get her to remember,opened that business and started working towards a family.

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    1. My thoughts exactly. Couldn't have expressed it better.

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    2. " They don’t need a house. They need a home. And in that final kiss, they found one. "

      From Ryan McGee's review

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  43. another thing i dont like about this season is that the villains were below expectations. i mean. at the end of season 4 and in the beginning of season 5 decker etc makes us believe there is someone big behind all this. and at the end it turns out that its just another CIA loser who wanted to get the intersect... the writers didnt play that well.

    -D-

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  44. As much as people dont want to admit it and they make up their own fairy tale endings Chuck said it best "Deep down I knew it was true. My wife never came home."
    If this does not justify Yvonne saying the finale is tragic then what ?

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  45. I agree with many of you. But i think that the writers wanted to satisfy everyone, some wants a closure and to be lead to an ending that is absolute, others wants to imagine how it goes on/ends. I think that the writers found the only balance between these end options, and couldn't have ended it in another way, in order to satisfy all with the same amount of appreciation.

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  47. I personally loved the finale and I think you can tell that Sarah is going to get her memory back because she remembered some other things.

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  48. "people dont want to admit it and they make up their own fairy tale endings Chuck said it best "Deep down I knew it was true. My wife never came home."

    But that wasn't the last thing we were left with. We were left with Chuck telling her their story and Sarah saying "kiss me". The creators confirmed her memories weren't erased and that the question is not IF she regained her memories but WHEN. I didn't like the ending, but it's not hard to imagine CS being fine for the future. I mean if it's that easy for her to just leave him after that kiss and hearing their story then one has to question how much Sarah truly loved Chuck in the first place.

    End of the day, CS's love is bigger than any memory wipe. She's not 80 and suffering from Alzehimers, this isn't the Notebook. They have time to make new memories and time for her to regain the lost ones. She gets to experience it all again and there's nothing to say they won't get that house and family they dreamed of.

    My issue was never the question of IF they did, it was just that I wanted to SEE it because I wanted to share in the joy with them. Instead I guess it's something I won't share just like we never really shared their moment when Chuck proposed.

    But you know in an way, we all continue stories in our head no matter what ending we get. For instance even if we had seen CS in that house with a baby, what's to say the next day Chuck wasn't run over by car and died? Someone out there could've made that their fanon. After the curtain call we all make our endings, the creators just closed the book at a different time for CS then we expected...it was less satifying for me beccause again I wanted to see their joy of Chuck seeing Sarah remember or of them moving into that house, but it wasn't to be. But I have no doubt CS will be ok after that kiss. Sarah and Chuck love each other, and whether or not she feels it yet and whether or not the kiss brought it all back in one go...she will feel and love him again... because their Chuck and Sarah. Sarah could never leave Chuck going all the way back to S2 when she didn't leave with Bryce. They have a pull towards each other that nothing can break.

    Yes, I went all shipper sappy with this post lol. I'm just reading some posts saying that Chuck & Sarah didn't end up together. Of course they did. In an interview Chirs said it was a happy ending. It wouldn't be a happy ending if she was going to leave him after. And as for Sarah not being our Sarah again, she will. Why wouldn't she? Who she is, it's still there deep down, she just needs Chuck (and the others had they not left...hmm) to help bring that part of her out again. Her laughing and getting all teary is proof of that.

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    1. Sarah also said that she fell in love with Chuck between the time she met him and when he difused the bomb. So he won her heart pretty quickly, they just had alot of intervening obstacles to overcome. So even if it takes Sarah say another year ot two to regain her full memory, she would have fallen in love with Chuck all over again before than, and there's no Bryce, or Jill or spy stuff since Chuck quit or whatever to stand in their way. She'll fall in love with him quickly again and they won't need to wait 3 years to be together like the first time around.

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    2. Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    3. Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  49. I've read a tonne of comments on the finale , I saw one that help make sense of the ending to me at least . I can't remember where I read it , but it was something like this paraphrased

    At the end of vs Sarah she said goodbye because although she believed Chuck's version of what happened , she didn't feel it . So she left . Then throughout the finale she was beginning to feel it and then at the very end with the " Chuck , tell me our story " and the subsequent " Chuck , KISS me " she felt " it " .

    Also , I just listened to the Ryan and Ryan podcast and they mentioned that Sarah Walker could go all badass and take out like 15 bad guys , but she didn't know how to love Chuck Bartowski ( from the video log ) . So i think at the end of 5.13 see certainly learned to .


    This is going to be one of those endless debates like S3 has become where nobody is going to be right . It's subjective . I really feel for the people that felt a dissatisfaction of the ending .

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  50. "going to be one of those endless debates like"
    But what exactly are people debating? Whether or not she regained her memories? Whether or not she loved Chuck again? Because I thought it was clear to everyone that she was (though again when is the question) and is.

    I thought the only dissatisfaction is that we never got to SEE the moments (her falling in love again + regaining her memories) not questioning if or if not it happened.

    I mean again Chris for all his "up to the viewer to decide" I thought that was more to decide whether the kiss worked at that moment and if it was magical. That's the only debate there should be that I took from his interview with Sepinwall. Everything else...Chuck and Sarah being together, Sarah remembering, Chuck quitting the spy life to open that security business (until he gets sucked into another save the world scenario, lol) I thought was a done deal, we just didn't see it.

    I guess it they moved into that house is up for debate, but they should have money from selling the Buymore, so why not go buy that house that is still not been brought.

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  51. I feel for those people who are going to let the end affect how they view the series as a whole and them not being able to re-watch it. I personally don't get it, because the truth is Sarah will love Chuck again (actually I believe deep down she already has, she just needs to realise it if she hasn't already after the kiss and story) and her memories are still there. Even if you don't want to believe in that fairytale and magical kiss, you know CS will see have a future together and our Sarah will return in one way or another, it'll just take some time.

    Besides it could've been worse. She could have died or they could have showed us her leaving Chuck for real. The end had hope. It just sucks because on a show like Chuck we've been programmed to expect the cootie cutter straightforward happy ending. If this was the end of some HBO show or if this was an ending on Buffy everyone would have thought we got lucky. LOL.

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  52. It does suck having to imagine the ending, but people shouldn’t be so cynical to not believe these two crazy kids made it. I loved Yvonne saying that the next logical step for CS had the show continued for S6 was them having a baby. Aww...even she thinks it worked out in the end and is a shipper at heart.

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  53. Head Geek Furious, what do you think of Chris's comments about it being a good thing that CS get to re live their frist moments a second time? (with her getting her memroies back but also potentially making new memories in the meantime as first...unless you think she was cured by the magical kiss with Chris says is open ended and up to the viewer to decide?).

    My issue with that, is I liked seeing CS have those moments in the past 5 years, so why it is so great for her to have it a second time? she's pas that, it's called GROWTH. It's like me saying I want to go relive my high school days. I mean we're all passed that even though it would be cool to be that carefree again. Also, Sarah had reached a time in her life where he was ready to take the next step (new job and having a family). I just hope he meant that emotionally Sarah will still be at that stage as her memories return but she'll also get to have those "firsts" with Chuck.

    What do you think?

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    2. That’s a fair point, but why not just let Sarah have her memory back? Or give a flash-forward that shows them in that house happy? Running out of ideas shouldn’t affect giving the fans more concrete closure. It’s more like he made a conscious decision to be less obvious with the ending, like he wanted it to be edgy and keep it open for future Chuck projects. I guess I’m just annoyed he’s been selling it as such a happy & satisfying ending, when really it’s more bittersweet than anything and has polarised the Chuck fans. I mean it’s not a sad ending per se, but not giving the viewers more signs that she did get her memory back, is like saying that losing five years worth of memories and relationships is no big deal. He says it’s not for nought those five years, but the finale failed to show that. IMHO.

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  54. Well if they want me to write in, eat more sandwiches, buy more DVDs, they better get the actors back, add to that last scene to make it VERY clear , no "leave it to my imagination@ that we get Sarah and ALL her memories back. Then I will buy more DVDs. And not until that do they get another dime from me to reward that lousy, depressing ending.

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  55. Everyone go watch Parks & Rec, that'll cheer you up. Though now I fear even parks will have a "slightly tragic" end, if Chuck can...

    Oh Fedak and your "it's a happy ending". Yeah dude, I'm afraid you and I (and alot of other people it seems) differ on what a happy ending is. Chuck is left with a wife who may or may not remember their past 5 years together. Even if she makes new memories with him, those memories are gone. And memory is a funny thing, in soap opera's the person never really becomes the same person she was before.

    This finale should have made ALL the Chuck fans happy and satisfied. We love these characters and Sarah most of all had such a wonderful develpment over the five years. It's disapointing. They could have at least showed a positive reaction from her after the kiss. Poor Yvonne to play a character so well for five years and see that character revert back to S1 in the finale. How sad.

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  56. Though I must say that I believe while we were left with S1 Sarah (although one more receptive), she'll go back to S5 Sarah very fast. Sarah doesn't have to learn to be the Saran we know and love, she's already that inside. It's still there.

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  57. Happy Ending fellas seeing Chuck and Sarah on their spot on the beach with Chuck wearing his wedding ring and Sarah next to him not wearing her ring is this a Happy End you expected from a show like Chuck?

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  58. Well at least this episode did one thing the others couldn't...stop the "no sexytimes" complaints. Until now that is...

    Looks like there's going to be no CS sexytime for awhile...until Sarah remembers and/or she falls more in love and comfortable with Chuck. Damn. That's the biggest FU Fedak could give the shippers.

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  59. Well based on fedaks interview with sepinwall chuck and Sarah live happily ever after as husband and wife who open their own security firm. From the horses mouth you got the answer s to whether they end up happy...they do. That is all I needed. Aces chuck people aces!

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    1. Which calls into question why he didn't show it if he so freely expresses it in an interview? If he wasn't aiming for interpretation then why do it?

      That just made it dumber.

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    2. I do wonder what Zachary and Yvonne think. Based on his last interview before the finale it is ambiguous but he may have been trying to avoid spoilers. The same with Yvonne, I have no clue. But maybe a post series interview will shed some light. I have a feeling that yvonne will be positive and Zachary will be happy that he and josh's character morgan will be happy :)

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    3. Give us a movie to prove it and I'll be satisfied.

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  60. Who knows what goes through showrunner's heads when they put together a series finale.

    I just know that the majority of the time they don't deliver their best.

    Despite the lack of a clear resolution to Chuck and Sarah i'd still say the show had one of the better finales.

    I thought it was implied that Sarah would eventually recover because she was remembering bits and pieces of certain things.

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    1. It was implied. But why imply unless you want the audience to make up their own scenario? What is so amazing about that final moment that couldn't have been done differently with a more outward expression?

      It is purposely deflecting the obvious? These cats went to college and learned how to write for a living, right?

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    2. I honestly think that this might have been Chris Fedak's thought process.

      Here are the three things that were probably in Chris Fedak's head

      1. He wanted to give the implication that Sarah will get all her memories back at some point.
      Which is a happy ending.

      2. He wanted to also imply that while Sarah will get her memories back it won't be right away. and until then she will make new memories and fall in love all over again with Chuck.
      Which still is a happy ending.

      3. He also wanted to create a scenario where Sarah doesn't ever remember anything in the last 5 years but still falls in love with Chuck again because he's just that kind of guy.

      Isn't scenario number three romantic.

      Basically what it boils down to is Chris Fedak couldn't make up his mind which one of the three scenarios he wanted and that he is a hopeless romantic.

      He also wanted to do something different with the often used amnesia storyline that wasn't just her remembering evertyhing at the last second.

      And whether you like it or not the Chuck finale was different.

      I do believe that was his thought process.

      The people that say it wasn't a happy ending for Chuck and Sarah just don't understand.

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    3. How could Quinn erase all her memories of having family and friends but still be a spy ? She remembered Casey when he gave her the DVD ?

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    4. He erased 5 years. The memory card things were very specific. He didn't remove her whole life.
      Casey already had a reputation in the pilot so she probably knew him then. Even so, Quinn had explained who everyone was to her.

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    5. Chuck should have taken the gun out of Sarah's hand and walked up to Quinn and said "You ruined my life by taking away my wife" and shot him in the head point blank. Cheers from the audience.

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  61. "Which calls into question why he didn't show it if he so freely expresses it in an interview? If he wasn't aiming for interpretation then why do it?"

    He probably did it to be all arthouse and get people talking. If the ending had been spelled out for us and if we had seen them in that house for instance, people wouldn't be talking as much about it now or trying to analyse the "tragic beauty" of it.

    But yes no matter the spin, it's stupid. Because he actually says it's a happy ending and that Sarah will remember (the question when is the only one up in the air) & that they have the business. Which is why I don't understand people thinking the finale ruined it all, when you heard from the creator that their future is a bright one.

    The only thing that pissed me off is that emotionally we didn't get to see the happiness wiyh Chuck & Sarah. After five years we deserved to see it, not be told they lived happily ever after.

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  62. Just terrible ending. If I was going to use my imagination to come up with an ending I would've done that five years ago. Save myself a lot of time and trouble. My version would've had dragons. :-)

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  63. Overall, I liked the episodes, though ep 13 is very flawed. I mean, she was HIS WIFE even if she could remember it or not. He had the right to tell her that she already had a home and a family that loved her and would support her all the way, but Chuck was too passive, IMO. He reacted much better in ep 12, I really loved Levi's performance, especially when he took her to their dream house. I thought the scene would be cheesy as hell but it wasn't. I felt very sad for him and annoyed with her, lol. Also, when she said "I believe you but I don't feel anything" ugh I didn't like it. She was so cold!

    Also, maybe I'm too dumb, but I had a lot of trouble following the plot with the Intersect in ep 13. Actually, I didn't understand it.

    Casey's subplot about not wanting to be a softie made very little sense, it felt forced. Though I loved his goodbye hug to Chuck, and I just knew they'd mention Verbanski.

    Quinn... ugh, the cockroach. What a mediocre bad guy.

    And that ending... WTF? LOL, no, I don't really hate it, but I don't love it either. The ambiguity of it all just left me kinda empty and sad. Magical kiss? MEH. Didn't quite do it for me. I don't want to imagine what happened after. I wanted to see Sarah being well our SARAH! Now I understand Yvonne's tweets. Poor girl, and poor us. Well poor me. It seems some fans and critics loved it. I envy them.

    So yes, I agree with your whole review, HGF.

    P.S. Season 3 ending is still my favorite, with Other Guy's as a close second.

    S.

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  64. Just checked out Wikipedia and there are no real episode entries on season 5. It is like fans just could not be bothered to put even the simplest of plot up. The last full entry is Chuck versus the Cliffhanger. So I guess that tells you what some people think of seaosn 5. Yikes, maybe this show should not have come back for a final season. Maybe the wedding was the perfect ending and nothing could be ruined.

    I do wonder if Fedak did this because he did not like Shippers (like removing all the hotness and bedroom scenes that were shot). That he was unhappy with the lack of budget and uneven seasonal orders or maybe he just hated how it all played out. He lost most of his writers and his story just had to keep going and maybe he was frustrated and so had a big fuck you to everyone. I mean wiping away 5 years worth of story and investment and growth is pretty balsy and not a great way to end your show but fair enough. The cast interviews make a lot more sense now, none of the actors seemed psyched by this but Fedak can do what Fedak does and that is fair enough.

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  65. "mean wiping away 5 years worth of story and investment and growth i"
    except what puzzles me is that Fedax admits in the Sepinwall interview that Sarah's did not lose all that, it's still there and she'll get it back. So really he wasn't being ballsy just incredibly stupid to not SHOW us. I guess the best way to look at it, is that it wasn't an instant fix for Sarah (so that doesn't elminate the stakes) but she also will slowly but surely regain her memories and her growth is still there (the happy end). It's more that our last shot of CS is them in the middle part, between the start (where Sarah wanted to leave and din't feel) and the end (where Sarah reaches her true self agaon). We didn't get to see her reach that end, we just saw the middle and have to imagine she got to that end. It was never in question if she did, it's just bloody annoying that we couldn't see it and see Chuck see it (and Sarah see herself and feel like her old self again). To Fedak that's the next adventure that we don't get to see, just like we wouldn't have seen the Morgan stuff after we left them in S4 (had the show been cancelled). But Fedak took a risk in making CS ginding their way back and Sarah finding her way totally back on an off screen adventure. It leaves us feeling like there was no real sense of closure...like closing a book before you read the final chapter/epilogue. And I think that's what he wanted. Was it lazyness? Probably, but more like he wanted that next part of CS's journey to not be shown on screen. But after 5 years, yeah just...not fair really.

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  66. People calm down. something to look forward to. SCHWARTZ | The original [cut] was almost an extra hour longer.
    FEDAK | It’s true. Chuck episodes sometimes come in a little long — not this season as much, but this one came in quite a bit long. We actually got it a little bit of extra time from NBC for it.
    SCHWARTZ | Some of the additional scenes will be on the DVD.
    FEDAK | That’s right, we actually have a longer version coming out on the DVD.
    TVLINE | Simply extended edits of scenes or also new entire scenes?
    SCHWARTZ | You’ll have a couple of entire scenes. It will be eight minutes longer. And there are extended scenes within Act 5. It will be nice.
    FEDAK | So even after tonight, there will still be the opportunity to see some new Chuck. Maybe a true happy ending after all. :-)

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  67. i dont think it will add to the ending...

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  68. Chuck needs to take Sarah to Chicago and have Elle use her pen. Hell it regressed Morgan to high school days. Let's make a DVD and sent it to Fedek. Please add this to the Outtakes.

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  69. Hi my name is Chuck and this is my wife Sam . It's ok she doesn't remember me either after 5 years. Seriously how could Quinn erase her family and friends but she only remembers being a spy ? Those are some flash cards ?

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  70. I feel sad for Sarah that no one, except Chuck, was there for here in the end. The character didn't get her deserved goodby with her friends either like the rest of the cast got.

    As for the ending. I get it. We are seeing two people in love one the beach. The only ambiguity we are supposed to see is when she regains her memories, not if. If there is a fairytale ending - and she regains all here memories with a kiss or if it will take a longer time. That is up to the viewer.

    But the ending would have played so much better if they have added a few seconds. Like after them kissing they could be smiling at each other and then maybe start kissing again or a shoulder bump. The end would still be ambiguous, but on a more happy note.

    I have no doubt the will have their happy ever after. But I still would liked more proof of recollection from Sarah. For me we got a bittersweet ending, while this show needed a happy one.

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  71. 5 seasons and this was the best ending they could come up with ? No Emmys for you, ever. Yvonne definitely.

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    1. I'm talking great writing like ER,Hill Street Blues, St. Elsewhere. Although St. Elsewhere's ending sucked too with the snow globe. Steven Bochco's writing would have given this show Emmys for character development. Tim Jones needs to be recognized for his composing. Fedak and Schwartz needs some writing lessons. They snubbed their fans, until they fix this with a proper ending. Unless that was their intention to cause a buzz ? I hope people don't throw their DVD's in the trash and forget this show ever existed. Now that's a total 360 from the fans.

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  72. I feel a little sad for Yvonne, every interview she gave over the series it sounded like she was a little bit of a shipper and was very happy that they gave her some fun and relaxing material. I know we will never get her views or truthful views because she is a pro. But I just do not know how happy she can be with this (and I am not saying she is unhappy) but for her a pro chuck and Sarah advocate that has to be a kick in the nether regions. The thing is I never remembered Sarah this cold, not even in the pilot. She was a little cold and distant in the first season but she still had a certain warmth towards Chuck. Also could they not have had Beckman or the real CIA talk to her. In baby she was still protective of the innocent baby and she was in a sort of happy place with Bryce based on the pilot photos...,this finale made it seem that she enjoyed screwing with chuck and that hurting an innocent was fine. I just never saw Sarah like that. Fedak has screwed up royally here and I do not understand why he did that at all.

    Is it because his show was only brought back for financial reasons I.e. Syndication that he was upset so thought screw this or is there some deeper pathology going on. None of the cast were raving about this and even Zach did not even mention chuck and Sarah...even he was unsure on what their future was going to be. Ah fuck it, they lived happily ever after...who gives a fuck.

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    1. I think it is pretty obvious Yvonne wasn't totally happy with what they did. You don't even need insider info to read into it. But she is going to be diplomatic about it, as much as she can be, because the industry doesn't treat honesty with kindness.

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    2. I thought that was pretty obvious as well. Yvonne mentioned multiple times how happy she was with Sarah´s journey and how the character had been developed.

      And no matter what they say after the fact about Sarah´s development not being erased and that all those changes are still inside her somehow, it pretty much was reset for the last two episodes and not resolved in the end. That´s pretty sad and dissappointing. I highly doubt they would ever have deleted Chuck´s journey like that. And to me Sarah´s wasn´t any less important.

      My biggest gripe is also still the lack of interaction between Sarah and anyone but Chuck, like you mentioned further down. It felt really strange how easily everyone but Chuck accepted the Sarah they knew gone. There wasn´t much of a reaction to her leaving or what would happen to her.

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  73. Two words, "I remember." they could have done the whole episode the way they did and just having Sarah say "I remember" before the fade and we have a happy (happier) ending. To me this was a slap in the face and now I can't ever watch Chuck again because I know this is where they go in the end.

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  74. Thanks for the podcast.

    I really liked the final, but the ending didn't do it for me. While I can see what the people who liked it see in it, I can never see me loving it.

    One of my favorite thins about this show Sarahs story and how she's changed since the beginning. So seeing that pulled, and not really resolved is hard to see. This doesn't ruin the whole series for me, but the sad part is taht it has put me off rewatching for a while. I will certainly do a rewatch down the line, but don't feel like doing it right now.

    This show have never been great with the plot, and the payoff of it. But it has always had a great emotionally payoff. So why change that now?

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    1. Exactly. Why change that now? No point. Especially when the show runner so freely and happily admits that she gets her memory back off-screen and they live happily ever after. When you do an ending like that, you do it to leave it up to the audience to decide what happened next. When you tell them what happened next, you make doing it a waste.

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  75. HGH you said earlier that you thought the ending was a 10. What was different between that ending and the one we got?

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    1. The way it was explained to me was the beach scene and Chuck tells Sarah about their life together and we get a montage, and that it is very emotional and then she tells him to kiss her and that it is clear she remembers.

      While that is kind of what happened... it just doesn't come off as well as it did in my head, plus I didn't know they weren't going to give Sarah any meaningful interaction with the rest of the group. To me, that is an even greater offense. It seems like a strange thing to do to the second lead of a show about family.

      Plus, like Amanda said on the podcast, if the show is also about a boy becoming a man, the final moment of that show should be about his next step in that development, not them starting from where they were already.

      So, that 10 became a 6 to me once I saw it. What lead up to it is as important as what happened at the end. Not giving her a satisfying conclusion to her journey is cheap.

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    2. Thanks.

      I agree, the biggest offense was that Sarah did not get a proper goodbye.

      This montage by NBC seems closer to the end scene you are describing though.

      http://www.nbc.com/chuck/video/the-story-of-chuck-and-sarah/1381756

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    3. "The way it was explained to me was the beach scene and Chuck tells Sarah about their life together and we get a montage, and that it is very emotional and then she tells him to kiss her and that it is clear she remembers."

      I'm going to assume that's exactly what happened, sort of cheesy as it is. The alternative is that the show creators chose some student film nonsense over a satisfying ending. Still doesn't help with Sarah's disconnect from her entire extended family.

      Jim

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  76. I was reading other forums (no chuck fansites), and in both of them most people seemed ok with the ending (or at least try to like it), and some even loved it. Sorry but I just can't bring myself to really accept it. It's too cruel, imo. It still doesn't ruin the whole series but it leave a bitter taste in my mouth. I don't hate Fedak, though. It was his story and I'm pretty sure he thought this would be a cool ending? It just didn't really work for some of us it seems. I still enjoyed A LOT of this show, so I can't give my back to it all just because the ending sucked.

    S.

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  77. The longer I think about the ending the less I like it.

    I very much agree with your review and with everything Cor added. The finale left Sarah in a horrible place. Really the only thing she has gotten from the last five years is Chuck. And even he needed several pep talks to help her take down Quinn and Morgan to convince him, that he might still be in love.

    Sarah has no job, no money, no place to live and the two people she remembers being important in her life, Bryce and Graham, are dead. Ellie, Awesome, Casey and Morgan don´t attempt to help her, reconnect with her or mourn her much. And she considered those people family, before she had her memories taken. So after those five years of her life we were shown, she only has a tentative connection to Chuck left and she can´t remember her love for him or why she changed her priorities in life.

    And if they just make new memories, she is always at a disadvantage, because he remembers their time together.

    I also don´t see the appeal of them having all their milestones again, that Fedak gave as a positive for the setup. They already hit all those. Chuck remembers them. He would always compare them and Sarah could never be exactly the same person. I find it hard to see anything positive in them not being allowed to just develop further as people and a couple from where they had already gotten.

    And if she is supposed to just regain all of her memories than I don´t see the point in not showing that.

    From what I gathered, people who really enjoyed the finale were often people, who hadn´t liked the way Sarah was written in the later seasons. I can see how they could like that, but I don´t see the reasoning behind writing an ending like that. If the creators didn´t like how Sarah was developed, they shouldn´t have written her that way in the first place.

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    1. i agree with u at some points. and its stragne watching the episodes again knowing thats she lost her memories... and i dont want that. i want to be able to watch the episodes again and again and again...

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    2. You can still watch them again and again. There's nothing to suggest she didn't get her memories back in some form.

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  78. One thought I recently had:

    It was Morgan who proposed the "Disney Kiss". And he was the only one who experienced memory loss so far. He should know best what could trigger the memories even if it's just a feeling of his.
    Also he's almost always been right about their relationship.

    Well, I just typed it to make me feel better about the ending. I'll keep it diplomatic by saying: I didn't like it. I tried to, but it just won't work for me.

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  79. Great read and listen, thanks for your continued time and work on these. I haven't read much else on the finale because I don't really venture into other Chuck related sites. I'll say it again, you've no idea how much I appreciate the bullshit filter. Seriously, thank you!
    I'm more or less on the same page as you and think they did not play by their strengths. While I enjoyed these last couple of episodes, it certainly felt like after reading through Jane Austen's work she suddenly took on a Kafka persona in her last novel and fell short on the depth.
    I hate to ponder the what if's and should haves because it is what it is, but this season would've greatly benefited from exploring intersected Sarah and the repercussions earlier on at the expense of not exploring Morgansect at all seeing as it really held no weight in the overall Chuck story. The intersect mythology is dubious enough, so I was surprised at how much time they took away from the character resolutions for the sake of revisiting that muddy well. The intersect proved to be more of a curse than a blessing, and not only is Chuck's last sacrifice all for naught, he is also stuck with it indefinitely while Sarah is barely back and everyone goes their separate ways. Lost did that sacrifice/callback/semi-tragedy finale really well and I don't know if that's what they were going for but it felt off and un-Chuck-like.
    If it weren't a series finale I would've loved these episodes if not only because Zachary Levi and Yvonne Strahovski were brilliant and heartbreaking to watch.
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  80. Head Geek Furious, I'm confused. You mentioned that from what you were told the end was meant to be Sarah remembers. So what happened from what written on paper to what was filmed? Because the way it showed in the end, was more open ended and yet from Fedax's post finale interviews and from what your Ninja told you, we were meant to see it as a happy ending where Sarah regains her memories. So why not shoot it in a way or give more signs to show that? Did Fedak change his mind and decide to leave it more open ended in the way it was filmed?

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  81. *fedax = Fedak. Obviously. LOL

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  82. Remember the old saying. "Prove is in the pudding" People want visual to satisfy their curiosity. 3 words to satisfy everybody. " I remember everything' Chuck pulls out that picture from the Bullet Train Chuck and Sarah smile at each other and kiss until the fade out. Happy Ending for everybody. Leaving a door open to a movie and flash forward at Chuck And Sarah get a call from General Beckman to get the crew together for a special mission that only Team Bartowski can do.

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    1. Perfect. Why didn't he do that?

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  83. Atually I think he didn't because he wanted to leave the door open for Sarah to re fall in love with Chuck (but also regain her past memories along the way). That's why it was open ended.

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    1. So in that case we should get a mini movie with an epilogue to 3 years later with a house warming party and CS's spy babies ;)

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    2. Clearly not, based on his comments to Sepinwall.

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    3. You mean when he said there's no movie?

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  84. when i watch sarah saying <<...because i love him, i love Chuck Bartowski and i dont know what to do about it>> i hate more and more Fedak about the finale. and the whole thing with the babies and the houses... i mean come on!!! dont show us the f..ing thinng if you intend to make her lose her memories and then u are not making it clear if she gets them back or not. i believe, what strahovski said about the finale thats its <>, is concluded on that phrase of sarah on the dvd logs.

    -D-

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  85. "u are not making it clear if she gets them back or not"

    Except he made it clear she does lol. That's whats annoying he has no qualms admitting she does in interviews and with the hints throughtout the ep and yet he couldn't throw us a bone in the final scene and just SHOW it as well with a look or a line or something.

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    1. thats what i mean. he is not making it clear on the finale. he says it on interviews and there are moments he says it in the finale too... with the demova thing etc etc...

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  86. I remember in a podcast for chuckgasmic, you said that this is Chuck...of course we'll get a happy ending.

    Yeah. Lesson is...never expect anything.

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  87. Head Geek Furious, I agree that no one seemed to care about Sarah. It looked like Casey was in a hurry to shoot her. I'm glad Chuck called him out
    on it. I would have like one more episode with the whole gang, General B,and Mama B working the help Sarah regain her memories.

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  88. All the reviews I’ve been reading from critics loved the finale. Am I missing something? LOL

    Maybe they are not huge Sarah fans?

    I guess they have no issues thinking the end meant that Chuck got his girl again. Still, I can’t believe they didn’t want closure too. Maybe they like that it wasn't your typical white picket fence ending. Critics seem to like these things type of endings more.

    Still don't they realise Chuck isn't Mad Men?

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    1. They are clearly not as invested in the characters as fans are... and perhaps giving a bit of slack to the show runners on their final episode.

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    2. But they seem invested. Saying they love it ect. Isn't a critics job to...critic? Why would they give them slack. I mean one gave it an A+. Come on now.

      Maybe they just wanted to believe in the magic. Mo Ryan certainly did in her review. Kristin from E! said she believes they went on to have future spy babies. So I don't think it's them not investing in the characters, just not needing to have the perfect happy end to rate the episode well. Maybe. What do I know.

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    3. Like I said, they aren't as invested in these characters. If they were, they would see the problems. And perhaps, in time, they will.

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  89. I don't know if you mentioned it already (have yet to listen to the podcast, will after work) and I forgot to ask, HGF, what did you think personally happened after the kiss (and no Jill coming back to take Chuck can't be it, lol). Do you think CS were fine & lived happily ever after with her getting her memories back or are you with some who believe they divorced and Chuck was miserable the rest of his life?

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  90. I've no idea why they went artsy fartsy with the end when Chuck isn't that kind of show. Chuck is a fun action/adventure/comedy/drama not some art flick. The ambiguous ending does not fit with a show like Chuck. They gave Chuck a semi-Sopranos type ending when it didn't need one. It needed closure. I wish it had ended like Alias did with a flash forward a few years showing Sydney and Vaughn with a happy ending and maybe going on spy missions when it was something only they could handle. They could've done something similar on Chuck but no.....they go artsy with an interpretive ending. Dumb. And then in interviews state that Sarah got her memories back and loves Chuck...why give that in interviews and not say it on the show. They should've went radio silence if t hey wants and ambiguous ending.

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    1. Yeah that's what annoys me the most. For all the "love letter to the fans" than why go for the artsy ending like your trying to be Inception. I get they want it to generate talk and buzz but who cares about that, it's way more important to give the fans and these characters proper closure. And if your going to go all artsy why go on record with they lived happily ever after. Lame.

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    2. It wasn't even that artsy. I think the writers and some of these critics just bought into the idea that this was note perfect. And on some level it was. Unfortunately, it was note perfect in an orchestra of 10 notes and a few of them were flat.

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    3. When you say on some level it was, what did you like?

      And when you say a few fell flat do you mean not giving clearer signs that Sarah remembered or was starting to?

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    4. "And if your going to go all artsy why go on record with they lived happily ever after. Lame."

      I have a thought about that. The people most likely to complain about the ending are the ones, like a lot of us, who are invested in the characters. Those are the same people most likely to seek out comments from the creators online. The casual fan (and critic) who feels the ending was just fine or even some stroke of artistic brilliance won't be looking for any of that.

      So by leaving it sort of ambiguous, they get to be "edgy" to the wider audience, and by stating that "they lived happily ever after" they attempt to appease the more hardcore fans of the show who are the only ones likely to see those comments anyway.

      If that's what they are after, then my only problem with it is this: It assumes all the hardcore fans are absolute morons. Huh...I think I've just managed to become more annoyed at the producers than I was before. Yay, me!

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  91. if you think a little outside the box. the way they ended it was good. because we got to remember all the great stuff we loved about the series. great scenes with the flashbacks and many other memories. when i watched the finale i liked all the flashbacks and the final scene with the pictures form all the adventures, because i got to remember everything again, the 1st episode, what i liked about the show and many other scenes that gave me wonderful memories. BUT if you think about the story and that they dont really show if sarah gets her memories back -Well guys to be honest we all know that she gets them back and she lives with Chuck happy etc etc- then its at least annoying. annoying cause we dont see the sarah we wanted, cause they ruined everything about the babies, the house they showed us in the previous episodes and cause I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO REWATCH CHUCK WITHOUT HAVING THIS WIERD FEELING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THE END SHE LOSES HER MEMORY AND WE DONT REALLY SEE IF SHE GETS IT BACK.

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    1. I think their dropping hints like the virus ect shows that she still has it in her mind, and will get it back eventually. But yeah they could have made it a tad more obvious to please those of us who needed more visual confirmation.

      bascially Fedak got what he wanted in the end...Sarah back to S1, the Sarah who's not domesticated. Except he says she's still the S5 Sarah deep down and the fun will be inher rediscovering that so he's gone and confused me all over again. He's trying to please himself and yet keep the hardcore fans happy too.

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    2. Season 5 was essentially regressive story telling. Instead of showing our main characters grow, they went backward. Chuck and Sarah are in a worse place than where they started the season.

      Sure, she may remember it all and they may live happily ever after, but if you are willing to tell your audience that outright, what's the problem with showing it?

      But as I have said, my biggest issue with the episode isn't even that final moment. It's the lead-up to it. The setup is what makes that ending seem to lack the love many fans wanted to see. Because the audience goes into that scene apprehensive... and fade out of that scene feeling only slightly better about things.

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    3. But you didn't read what Chris said? "And the fun will be remembering it and falling in love again. How could you imagine anything better?"

      Can you imagine anything better? Regression is fun!

      *insert sarcasm*

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    4. Hey kids I want to show you this love story called Chuck. It will bring joy to you watching this couple progress for 5 years and in the end you will get thrown over the cliff without a parachute. Happy Watching.

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    5. Ellie to Chuck. "We're leaving for Chicago hope you get Sarah back" Happy Hunting. And while you're down we're going to throw sand in your face and give you a few kicks in the stomach for good luck. That's your happy ending.

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  92. Yeah we spent the lead up to the that end all worried and wondering how it’ll be resolved except it wasn’t...not really. Sure we got a glimmer of hope but not enough to leave us feeling all warm and fuzzy inside at the end. Not after experiencing 1-10 all fluff with that darn house followed by 3 episodes of intense angst.

    I recall when they showed the house in episode 1. Most of us thought the end would be leading to that. If your end wasn't going to be that, than you should have made it clearer that CS's home is each other, not the piece of wood. Instead you have Chuck saying 'so close I can taste it", Sarah saying "I want to quit the spy business" and in the end, they are back at square one. Maybe after the kiss they go on to wanting babies and that security firm, but we are left to imagine they did or those who don't read Sepinwall's interview won't know. Heck, in another interview Fedak says it's open ended and the viewer decides if CS make it...yet in other interviews he gives the happy ending. Make up your mind or be quiet.

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  93. Among all tbe complaints so far there are 2 little nit picks I have to add .

    1) Sarah was in Castle in 5.12 when they were plotting to destroy the intersect . But then in 5.13 she shows up to the buy more and asks chuck where his spy base is ?

    This one is kind of minor , but the whole " how chuck is special " thing didn't really work for me . By having the pristine intersect and the " key " plot device . That said to me that everybody else couldn't handle the intersect cause it was faulty , not that chuck was special . In the end chuck uploads the PERFECT INTERSECT . If that's the case wouldn't that make somebody else " special " if they uploaded it and not chuck ? That was kind of ridiculous .

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    1. She didn't ask where it is, she said "Your spy base, I need it"

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    2. She had already been there , why does she need to ask ? She didn't trust chuck enough at that point . Wouldn't have made more story sense to sneak in there get what she needed than take off ? But I guess they needed to set up chuck finding that dude with his hacking ability . Just would have made more sense if she was already in castle and chuck walks in rather than her having to ask .

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  94. Why sneak into it when it's obvious he would grant her access. And maybe, just maybe, some part of her wanted to see him again, hence the struggling with ringing the bell.

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    1. Exactly , so what are people's problem with the ending scene again ?

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    2. As someone already stated before: "the proof of the pudding is in the eating"

      I think everyone gets that the happy ending is implied.
      The problem for us is that implying just wasn't enough for us to get closure with those two characters.

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    3. Basically we got to see the chocolate cake, we got to lick the frosting...but we didn't get to eat a piece. I wanted to eat my piece of cake so I could feel full.

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    4. " True Love stories have no endings " - Richard Bach

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  95. S5 was a waste. It's that simple really. The only main thing they set up was CS quitting and moving forward to their next stage of their lives and we didn't even get a pay off of that.

    So a complete waste.

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  96. You can never please everyone so you've got to please yourself.

    Chris Fedak must have thought that.

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    1. That's pretty selfish. Which fits the ending.

      So, yeah. You are probably right.

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  97. I fucking hate Fedak and Schwarz! They fucked with us for years and now they fuck with us at the end? Fuck them and fuck all the writers and fuck anyone who fucking liked this bullshit! Worst finale ever!! I second that motion. All those in favor say "I". There you have it majority rules.

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    1. Yes I have Anger issues :)

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    2. At least spell Schwartz's name correctly if you are going to hate him.

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  98. "true love stories never have an ending" someone quoted.

    But how about Sarah's individual journey that Yvonne so fondly speaks of? Her face when she danced with her father? Her feelings when she was reunited with Molly and her mum?

    Sure Fedak and co implied she got it all back but after 5 years we deserved more than just an "implied" ending.

    Forget being pissed as a shipper, I'm more pissed as a Sarah fan. She didn't even get proper goodbyes with Casey, Ellie ect. None of them even seemed to care that much about her. The last time we saw Sarah she wasn't "our" Sarah that we had seen grow for the past five years. The last image of "our" Sarah is her fighting to not lose her memories.

    Sure this Sarah will probably go back to "our" Sarah and she still is her deep down, but we will never see that Sarah again because it'll happen off screen.

    I never got to say a proper goodbye to THE Sarah Walker. As her fan, I feel majorly duped!

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  99. As stated previously. "Proof is in the pudding" People want visual to satisfy their curiosity. 3 words to satisfy everybody. "I remember everything". Chuck pulls out the picture from the Bullet Train Chuck and Sarah smile at each other and kiss until the fade out. Happy Ending for everybody. Leaving a door open to a movie and flash forward as Chuck And Sarah get a call from General Beckman to get the group together for a special mission that only Team Bartowski can do. Including Gertrude, Alex, Jeffster , and Big Mike. Bring it on. Yeah!!

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