19 November, 2011

CHUCK Vs. the Business Trip - 5.04: Stay at Home, Woman


In this latest episode of CHUCK we discovered that strong women just want to have babies and stay at home while their husbands save lives. Also, there are only three Indiana Jones movies. And apparently the Star Wars prequels suck. Oh and Carmichael Industries is made up of the dumbest spies ever. More after the jump?

The story goes that Morgan is the target of a Decker-ordered assassination because he is the Intersect. So, Morgan gets de-intersected, but not before catching some throwing stars. But ruhroh, the assassination order is still alive with at least one dangerous killer! So, Morgan is benched and Chuck takes his place. Chuck and Sarah go to a Buy More thingy and stuff happens.

Look, when I really don't like an episode, I don't feel very motivated to write about it, so let me just bullet point this shit.

What I liked:
  • When Chuck and Sarah almost had their sexy time, Chuck said "Here we go" right before they were interrupted. Best delivery of the entire episode and it was most likely ADR.
  • Sarah looked hot.
  • Casey was badass at the end.
  • They actually faked us out by putting a well known actor in the episode and then not making him the obvious bad guy.
  • That baby is so adorable!
  • Big Mike's "pineapple" was one of the best subtle callbacks ever.

What I didn't like:
  • Most of the convention scenes were trite, stiltedly written like George Lucas dialogue, with acting that felt tired at best, lazy at worst.
  • This super spy team has no risk management skills. They let dumb things happen under their noses all the time. In this episode they let Morgan out of their sight right after his brain nearly fried and he went evil, so Chuck had to save him from being blowns up. Then, after they THOUGHT they had caught the assassin, who was totally inept at taking out his mostly untrained target, they let their guard down AGAIN without first putting everything on lock-down until he could be interrogated/verified. Not to mention that super spy Sarah got conned by and fell in friendsy love with the one person she was trying to find.
  • Ellie deciding she had to be home with the baby while Devon, the big man, went back to work seemed totally unrealistic and tacked on just to take one of the actors out of the equation for a few episodes.
  • Super aware Jeff, much funnier in the previous episode, once extended beyond a scene felt badly out of place and didn't add anything of substance, unless you count Lester going to jail for attempted murder substance. That's just dark, kids. I mean, he actually DID attempt murder. What will the writers be trying to say when he eventually gets out of it? It's OK to try to murder your friends when they change?
  • Sarah needing a friend when she already has Casey, Morgan, Ellie, (Alex?) and those two chicks from the cat squad. With fair weather friends like Sarah....
  • Another chauvinistic moment, when Casey took out the assassin team, even though it is also one of the coolest moments in the episode, is just another piece of evidence that the writers think Sarah is a girl who just needs a friend, a house, a man, most likely babies, and for a big strong conservative male to fight her battles for her.
  • The Alex and Morgan breakup that I have been pining for since they got together, seemed totally anemic and tacked on just to take one of the actors out of the equation for a few episodes.
  • When did Casey become such a Star Wars fan? Is Wookieepedia his start-up page?
  • Either the writer or Zac didn't know the proper Star Wars quote is "The Force is strong WITH this one" not "the Force is strong IN this one" and that should have earned this episode a 25 out of 100.

Speaking of... if I had to rate this episode, I'd give it:

75 out of 100.

I like sappy stuff. But not when it is poorly executed. Not when it is poorly written. Not when it is just there to be there to set up something in five episodes. If this show has any history at all, it is in poor setups to sappy stuff and to story arc payoffs, though they seem to do payoffs to sappy stuff and setups to story arcs well. This episode felt like it was a fan-fic and I am sure fan-fic writers everywhere love this shit, because they love what they write, and what they write sucks, like most of this episode. And professional wrestling.

Sure, I am nitpicking some things that I probably would have let pass if the episode was executed better. But it was just too cheesy, lazy, and lame for me to ignore the gaps in logic, or general suckage. I haven't even mentioned the pacing, or the plodding through the lie detector sequence. Ugh.

This was an episode written to stroke the shippers but it missed on every beat that a great episode like Honeymooners nailed. It reminded me a lot of season 4's Muuurder, that to this day I can't think about without wanting to stab someone.

I actually think I am too generous with that score. Anyway, what did you think? Comment below.


141 comments:

  1. I am very happy to read this review. I thought my twitter feed was going insane and then reading Sepinwall's review, I don't know if we were watching the same epsiodes. Muuuurder is a good comparison to it. That's exactly how I felt watching. Last week was ten times better. And you were too generous with the score. 50 out of 100 is more appropriate.

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  2. Wow, if you're going to start with how this episode objectified women in all that they want to do is stay home and have babies, then a few sentences later say 'Sarah looked hot'? You need to check your priorities. And isn't it Chuck, not Sarah who is leaning towards leaving the spy game? Maybe you shouldn't pretend to be a feminist.

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  3. So a woman can't be hot without sacrificing personal strength? That's very ignorant.

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  4. Anonymous, what is the correlation between finding a woman attractive and being a feminist? Are you saying that finding a woman attractive automatically makes you a chauvinist? A woman can be hot and capable. That's the essence of feminism. Maybe you shouldn't pretend to understand the movement.

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  5. This whole season I feel like the super spies that Sarah and Casey used to be have been shelved for spies that have taken stupid pills. However, I actually really liked the subtle looks between them and Casey taking care of things. After all, Casey has been shown in the past to be the sharpshooter. So this did not say anything negative about Sarah.

    As for Ellie and taking care of Clara, I get this. I just went back to work a couple months ago after having my first child. He stays home with his Daddy who works out of the home. But it means I miss my kid like crazy during the day. It just isn't feasible for me to do things differently and technically I do like my job. But I really miss the kid. Awesome proved here once again that he is that awesome because he found a way to work his time home the only way he knows how - as Captain Awesome Dad - and it was a sacrifice for him going back to work. I think he really took a hit for the team on that one and it was really sweet.

    I miss the older seasons where they didn't seem like keystone cops. I'm curious where the whole Lester/Jeff thing is going and what is going to happen to Casey now. I love this show and will see it through to the sad end. Its not what it once was though, that is for certain.

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  6. Vader's My Little Pony PillowNovember 19, 2011 at 7:03 AM

    I was about to go on the attack and point out how wrong you are, Magnus, but then started to think about your points and it is hard for me to disagree. I did like this one a lot more than you did but your points are valid. However, you've given other episodes a pass for worse, I think.

    Your points are valid but I bet you change your tune once you've had a chance to watch it again later. It's not as bad as Muuuurder.

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  7. Except I watched it THREE TIMES already.

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  8. The goal of feminists is to give equality to women not to make them unattractive to men. HGF is a true European feminist. He respects women and finds them hot. That's sexy.

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  9. my notes for the episode for every time
    from 00:00 to 37:47: 07/10
    from 37:48 to 38:17: 00/10
    from 39:16 to 39:29: 08/10
    from 39:30 to 39:37: 20/10
    from 39:38 to 42:16: 09/10
    from 42:17 to 42:52: 02/10
    The last 30sec were the worst 30 sec of CHUCK ever
    And the part where Jeff called the police to arrest Lester that was a total SHIT!!

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  10. Wow, Algnerd, that is an interesting way to qualify the episode. I applaud your uniqueness. :)

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  11. I do not really agree with your feminist points but what you said about the convention scenes was spot on. What show does Kristin Newman thinks he is writing for?

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  12. Before you post more feminist crap you should check out some articles about it
    The mother child bond is the strongest bond on this earth Ellie wanting to spend more time with Clara is something natural and beautiful it does not make Ellie less of a woman by any means

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  13. The mother/child bond has nothing to do with feminism. That's biological. The point about what the writers did with this episode was to diminish the ability of women to function without being bailed out by men.

    Maybe you should check out some articles on the meaning of feminism.

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  14. Speaking of which... I should have pointed out that Beckman is Decker's superior, yet he blatantly undermines her authority.

    Chauvinistic pigs!

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  15. lol

    are you trolling us now? no I didnt like this episode but the feminazi stuff is a stretch dont you think?

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  16. Nope.

    Oh shit, I forgot to bring up one of the shittiest moments in the episode! There is a point when Chuck and Sarah give each other a quick kiss and if you watch it in slow motion, it is CLEAR AS DAY that the actors don't kiss!

    I guess Zac had one too many cheese-steak sammiches that day.

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  17. I already add a lot of comments over at Chuckgasmic and suffice to say I agree with you about 90%.

    I kinda liked the Lester arrest. You are probably right about the message sent later, but I wasn't thinking about that. I'll stick to my "like" for the time being.

    It also didn't bother me that Sarah didn't participate in the hit on Viper's team.

    It will be interesting to look back on this episode when we get further into the season and see how much of it was written just to set other things up, albeit in a very clunky lame way.

    I think my grade would be about a 78. I want to see where they go with Casey being arrested. Are we in for Chuck and Sarah trying to hold the business together without real backup for a few episodes?

    (As a woman, may I add to what others said that the purpose of feminism is NOT to stop men from thinking we are attractive. Or vice versa.)

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  18. A friend just pointed out she kisses him on the side. Which is what I hope my future wife does to me. Why bother with lips when you have a ton of real-estate on the side of the mouth?

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  19. How come the kisses bother you so much now Magnus? the last real french kiss between Chuck and Sarah was in Colonel

    As for Zac's love for cheese-steak oddly enough one of the best kisses of the series had cheese-steak flavor : ) ) in Salami

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  20. ANYTHING that doesn't seem natural to the scene bothers me.

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  21. I am not that bothered anymore with stuff like this
    after 2 seasons with pecks or TV kisses half cheek half lip i am pretty sure we are never going to see a real passionate kiss between them
    At least they had a few really great kisses in the first 2 seasons(Salami,Seduction&Colonel)

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  22. Again... if it makes no sense in the context of the scene, then I am going to have a problem with it. In my thirty... err, twenty something years of life, I have never kissed a girlfriend on the side of the mouth, even by accident.

    JUST DO IT RIGHT, FUCKERS!

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  23. Just got back from perusing reactions elsewhere. If people loved this episode, there are definitely places to go where they can share their praise with others.

    We're the odd ones out.

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  24. Yes unfortunately the lame kisses throw the passionate couple side of Chuck and Sarah out the window
    And they make intimate scenes less believable and unnatural sometimes(i mean what type of couple is using pecks as foreplay? don't answer with a spy couple pls:D)

    Out of curiosity, have you seen a good natural kiss between them besides the 3 from the first2 seasons i mentioned earlier? Cause i don't seem to remember any

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  25. We're not the odd ones. We're the ones with taste.

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  26. Other have addressed major flaws, here are a couple of really minor ones that still bugged me:

    1. The lie detector thing: Not its existence, this is Chuck after all, but the fact that if Sarah could fool it so easily why did it not occur to them that Super Assassin, the Viper, could fool it too.

    2. Awesome's comment that Chuck couldn't match Morgan's facial furniture: Was he not there at the beginning of season 3?

    3. Morgan's reaction to the Luke/Leia, Luke/Vader revelation by Casey: Why would he care if he couldn't remember Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back and hadn't seen them yet?

    And to end on an up note, one of the best lines of the night:

    Morgan: (regarding SW and Raiders) "..sounds like gibberish"
    Sarah: "It is."

    That last is entirely down to Yvonne's delivery and the little look Sarah throws at Chuck.

    Jim

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  27. Wait, what is wrong with the kiss when they are about to have sex but don't? I thought that was a good one.

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  28. I had no problems with that kiss. I mean, it wasn't awesome or anything but that's not the kiss I'm referring to.

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  29. Magnus is probably referring to the quick kiss between them right before Sarah headed to her car to meet with Jane right? if so i can give you a funny example where i saw that exact same kiss before

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  30. What would qualify as an awesome kiss?

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  31. Nope i have a weird relation with my parents(we only interact on holidays)
    Watch the Zac @ Lopez from last year and you will see the same kiss and Zac even made the exact same "Muah" both times : )

    p.s. i saw the episode again a few minutes ago and you left out the most natural piece of acting from the entire episode in your review(granted it lasted for less then a second)
    Sarah and Chuck in her car when he was defusing the bomb, she has her leg on the wheel and talks to Jane on the phone
    Chuck eyes go from her face under her skirt instantly then on the pedal(he probably realized he was being a perv:D)
    If that was scripted its great how much attention they pay to details
    if not Zac is awesome! : )

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  32. "What would qualify as an awesome kiss?"

    Come on... are you even a fan of this show? You need to ask that?

    Adrian'S, you are entering creepy stalker territory!

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  33. Come on Magnus, how can you not see the greatness in the bomb defusing scene? : )
    again, its brilliant either way you put it, if it was natural Kudos to Zac if not Kudos to the people behind the camera paying so much attention to details

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  34. Yes, but we haven't had an "awesome" kiss since Colonel, so why are we even complaining/comparing?

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  35. I was just staring at Sarah's legs in the bomb scene. Is it even possible to drive a (sports) car with those high heels?

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  36. Initially i was looking at Sarah's legs too in that scene but when i saw the episode the second time i noticed his face and its hilarious
    its like he wanted to move his eyes from face to pedal but he had a little distraction on the way : )

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  37. "Best, most rounded episode of Chuck since Colonel"

    Maybe the most insane thing ever said on this site.

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  38. "Yes, but we haven't had an "awesome" kiss since Colonel, so why are we even complaining/comparing?"

    Pay attention to what I said and you won't be confused.

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  39. Chuck "says"(it sounds like ADR, but why add that?) "Here I go!"

    Cracks me up everytime.

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  40. I thought Chuck's look in the Evora scene was because he didn't know for a second what Sarah was doing calling Jane and fake crying like a crazy person and it took him second to figure out why she was doing it. I thought it was humorous because he wasn't being a perv because he had to diffuse a bomb and didn't have time to think about sexytimes. Maybe I misread it, but why would Chuck need to look up his own wife's skirt? She was wearing sexy lingerie like 4 episodes ago?

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  41. Wait who said this was the best episode since Colonel? I can't find that comment. Whoever said that is fucking nuts and I liked this episode alot more than HGF. It was good but it doesnt deserve to be mentioned in same breath as Colonel.

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  42. Agreed Old Panda, he was going "WTF who is she calling?"

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  43. I deleted their comment since they are just a troll anyway but I think they really believe it was the best episode since Colonel. That's pretty insane. It is much closer to Muuurder than anything. Colonel is arguably the best episode of the series. How anyone could seriously state this is close to it is... well, it is like saying Attack of the Clones is second to Empire Strikes Back.

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  44. As good as Colonel?????? lololol

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  45. To be fair to that little cuntbag, he said since Colonel.

    Still a fuckin' moronic thing to say.

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  46. I know this is not what they meant by it but, the fact that Sarah can beat a lie detector without even trying kind of makes her seem like a sociopath.

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  47. Well, Sarah can't be a sociopath since she was willing to sacrifice her career and freedom for Chuck.

    I think the point of that scene was to show that she is so invested in the spy game that she can easily fake it... meaning she is never being "real." And it probably would have worked better in a better episode.

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  48. I liked the episode but I agree with most of your points. Difference is those negatives bothered you a lot more than me.

    Oh the guy who said it is the best since Colonel has to be trolling.

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  49. Still it would seem its pathological given she herself would need to believe her own lie to pass. I'm thinking too much on this but it takes a certain kind of person to be able to pass those tests.

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  50. You can train yourself to pass a lie detector. One way is to ask yourself a question, inside your head, where the answer will be the response you need to pass the test.

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  51. Wouldn't it just be the fact that Sarah was trained most of her life to lie. I mean between life with her Dad and the CIA and all. I'd think she would be adept enough at it by now to pass a lie detector test pretty easily.

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  52. Yeah, plus I am pretty sure that they are setting the ***** **** ********* story-line up with that scene.

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  53. To train your body to function in a way to beat a lie detector test would be extremely difficult, you have to control body impulses and respiration which she wasn't doing. She lied without thought. It's not as simple as saying something a few times in your head and suddenly its true. The fact that she can pass carelessly is a problem...If she were not a tv character.

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  54. Except you can train yourself to not react. Covert agents practice it. It can become second nature like anything else, if repeated enough times.

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  55. But if it becomes second nature it becomes sort of pathological. Whether she's been trained or whether she was born that way we don't know. Given her criminal past, if she were real I would lean toward it being a mental disorder that she found an outlet for.

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  56. Well... I can't say any more about that point. You will just have to watch.

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  57. Can you answer the thing I noticed that bothered me most? If Decker can arrest Casey for murder, why can't Beckman get him out of it?

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  58. LOL. No, I don't think she's actually sociopathic. I was just making the argument that you could take the scene and her character that way. I thought we were just having a bit of a discussion.

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  59. "If Decker can arrest Casey for murder, why can't Beckman get him out of it?"

    There are several problems with the arrest... but, if Decker has the power to arrest Casey (he shouldn't, if he is CIA), then virtually anyone could pull some kind of get-out-of-jail-free card. But the writers aren't worried about it making sense anyway.

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  60. "Yeah, plus I am pretty sure that they are setting the ***** **** ********* story-line up with that scene"

    Come on Magnus, throw a letter in each word otherwise is no fun : )

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  61. : ( i understand
    although i am curious what mind blowing thing Fedak has planned for Chuck and Sarah

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  62. Do fans expect this "mind blowing thing" to be good or bad?

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  63. Don't know about others, but I expect it to be bad.

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  64. I think I can predict the reactions. I am looking forward to it.

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  65. A couple of points.

    Casey wouldn't have to be a fan of Star Wars to know that Darth Vader was revealed to be Luke Skywalker's dad.

    That movie was absolutely huge where even people that hadn't seen it or weren't fans of it would be aware of it.

    2. I didn't think Casey being the one to take everyone out was chauvinistic.
    I thought of it as Casey taking care of the situation this time while Sarah might do it next time.

    I took it as they both knew what needed to be done, but they didn't tell Chuck because he's against killing people.

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  66. I don't think you get my point about the chauvinism. It wasn't that Casey was doing it for such reasons, but that the entire episode alluded to these themes. That means the writers room, or specifically the head writer, is injecting them into the episode.

    If you take each element aside and don't connect them together, then sure... it all seems rather innocent. I wouldn't have mentioned it if I didn't feel it was a bit too heavy handed... or if I didn't know just how heavy handed it is about to get.

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  67. "Casey wouldn't have to be a fan of Star Wars to know that Darth Vader was revealed to be Luke Skywalker's dad."

    That wasn't his only reference to the movies. He also knew exactly what movie Morgan should watch, or rather not watch.

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  68. I think it would have been a better episode if Chuck and Sarah knew immediately that the guy at the convention that attacked them was just a decoy.

    Chuck and Sarah keep Morgan locked down while they continue looking for the real Viper but Morgan sneaks out and gets into trouble.

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  69. That bad, huh?

    Regarding the movies, he has lived with Morgan for quite a while.

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  70. In theory, I'd guess that Beckman can't bail Casey out because the government via Decker is driving the prosecution.

    The call-off on the hit by Viper was witnessed (Chuck, Sarah, Morgan, Casey, Decker, Beckman). So the only corroborated and clear evidence is this: that she got told to stand down, and then shortly after that she and a handful of associates were shot dead in an alley.

    Casey has no living witnesses to Decker putting the hit back on. Until there's objective evidence, or until Decker confesses to it, it's basically Casey's version of events (he killed them in self-defense of himself and his team) vs. Decker's (Casey is a cold-blooded killer who shot them for no reason). And since Decker is the government man and Casey is the mercenary, chances are that officially the burden of suspicion falls on Casey and Beckman can't risk stepping in.

    It's not the most sound logic, granted, especially since thinking of matters of evidence, it begs the question of how the fuck Decker managed to get enough objective evidence to get an arrest warrant for Casey (and only Casey) within a couple hours tops. Ballistics comparison seriously doesn't work that fast.

    But obviously, not nearly as dramatic to have them showing up a week later to arrest him.

    Cor

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  71. Respect your opinion, but I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. The Chuck & Sarah "wanting to be normal" thing made sense to me as well, but I'm also a fanboy, so I guess I enjoy pretty much everything.

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  72. "Regarding the movies, he has lived with Morgan for quite a while."

    Perhaps... but nothing about Casey as a character says he would get to know Morgan that well. It was as if he was channeling Chuck... or the writer was.

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  73. Also, on Casey's Star Wars knowledge, I'm sure that he knew those things because

    A) It is general knowledge that everyone hated The Phantom Menace.

    B) Morgan and Casey lived together. Knowing Morgan's character, it is impossible for me to believe that he didn't frequently voice his hatred for The Phantom Menace. That also explains the 3 Indiana Jones movies thing, since I'm also sure Morgan frequently talked about how much he hated Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

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  74. Phantom Menace rules. Only fuckholes didn't like it.

    I don't believe for two seconds that Casey let Morgan watch his favorite movies on his TV. I wouldn't let someone I was having sex with put fuckin' Twilight in my BD player, much less my daughter's fuckbuddy.

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  75. The only reason I could think of for an arrest that fast would be if Decker had a camera set up somewhere knowing the events were going to occur. Even that reasoning is flawed though, because he had no way of knowing how and where Casey would strike. He could have planted a witness, I guess.

    The thing is though, Casey geing a civilian now, is technically guilty of murder under the eyes of the law. You're not allowed to take vigilante justice and its not self defense unless there is a clear threat to you or others at the time of the killing.

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  76. Clara gets kidnapped? By Sarah?

    X

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  77. "Do fans expect this "mind blowing thing" to be good or bad?"

    I except for it to be good, they had 4 seasons to learn what works for the show and what doesn't work so well and since they are pitching season 5 as a love letter to the fans i expect for them to use elements that worked well for the show in the past and write a enjoyable arc for Chuck/Sarah

    "I think I can predict the reactions. I am looking forward to it."

    So without revealing any exact spoilers, you think will cause a positive or a negative reaction from the fan base?

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  78. Sarah kidnaps Clara for some bizarre reason that relates to a desire to be a mommy? I sincerely hope not.

    X

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  79. Hah! That would be awesome.

    I mean, it would be fuckin' stupid as hell but the reaction would be awesome.

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  80. LOL. Sarah catches baby rabies.:)

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  81. "Expect" :P
    i am very tired after the shittiest days of the month so far(48 sngs without a cash in) so grammar is not my number one concern : )

    Thx for the info anyways
    With Chuck and Sarah being married and only 9 episodes remaining as long as they keep things lighthearted i am going to be happy

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  82. Thank God! When you said the chauvinism would become more prominent in the future, I thought we'd see nonsense like that play out. Sarah's hormones are out of control! She will be a mommy even if it takes abducting her niece!

    X

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  83. I think most fans will like what is coming, but there is going to be a big snag in a couple of episodes. I am sure people will get over it quickly.

    Though, 5.04 is thankfully the last bullshit fan-fic episode for a while.

    I have been amusing myself reading "professional" reviews of this episode. It reminds me just how easily impressed people are by flash. I guess that is why Michael Bay keeps making movies.

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  84. "When you said the chauvinism would become more prominent in the future"

    I didn't say that exactly. We can talk about it later when we have seen a few more episodes. Though, as long as the execution improves, I will probably have less of a problem with it.

    And if we get less Chuck and Sarah and more Chuck and Morgan! YEAH! FUCK YOU SHIPPERS!

    Just kidding.

    Maybe.

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  85. "Though, 5.04 is thankfully the last bullshit fan-fic episode for a while"

    But there will be more. This is my greatest fear about the finale. That the ending is going to be the fan-fici-est, fan-fic that ever fan-fic-ed.

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  86. Yes, the finale will most likely suck in that fashion. But thankfully it is going to be tied to that penultimate episode, so it won't be like we are subjected to one horribly trite episode on the final day.

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  87. Didn't Kristin Newman write this episode?

    if so it's ironic that a woman would write such an episode.
    especially a career woman like Kristin Newman.

    Regarding the Chuck and Sarah passionate kisses debate these are the ones i the can think of off the top of my head from season 4.

    Suitcase
    Gobbler
    A Team

    They had a more passionate kiss the episode before this one during the helicopter scene.

    I don't really care about the kisses either way but it has not been all pecks on the lips since season 2.

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  88. Kristin Newman serves the will of the master... and she also wrote Muuurder (I didn't even realize that until I just looked it up). So... there you go.

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  89. Mind you, she also wrote Last Details, one of the best fuckin' episodes ever! Morgan rules! FUCK YOU SHIPPERS!

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  90. I said this on chuckgasmic too i can understand why you didn't like this episode but at the same time i understand how someone can find this episode good(i sure did:P)

    If this episode would have been included in a different arc probably more people would have been harsh with it like you are
    but since the first 3 episodes had a big focus on a element not so popular with the fan base or the critics(Morgansect)
    people are glad to see their favorite dynamics back so they over look a few crappy dialogues or the "normal" theme being more then obvious(at least that's how it worked for me)

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  91. Yvonne Strahovski is too hot for any man. Her scenes are the only ones worth watching. Who cares about the others.

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  92. On Star Wars, HGF, you could maybe think that it's a result of Casey's surveillance detail on Chuck back in the day. He bitched about stuff like listening to Morgan and Chuck talk for hours about desert-island sandwiches, so I could see him having had to suffer (more than once) through Chuck and Morgan having Star Wars and Indy geek-talk sessions.

    I've got it! Sarah will break up with Chuck and run away with Decker because he promises to knock her up and let her FULFILL HER EPIC DESTINY to be a mommy and a "normal woman".

    Cor

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  93. Cor, you figured out the big secret of this season. No point in watching now. Just delete the show from your DVR!

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  94. I liked the stuff between Casey and Morgan.

    I liked the big confrontation in the Buymore with the Viper, Morgan, Alex and Sarah.

    I liked all the stuff with Casey towards the end of the episode.

    I liked that they are at least doing something different with Jeff and Lester.

    The Sarah frienship story would have made more sense to me if it hadn't already been established that she's best friends with Carina.

    This episode was better than Muuurder and there was still some things that i really liked about it.

    I couldn't say that about Muuurder.

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  95. I win! No point watching the rest of the season and especially the finale where rocks fall and everybody dies!

    I know people are saying Sarah's longing to be normal is in keeping with s1/2 Sarah but...she's not that Sarah any more. She's married. She co-owns a business. She has a good group of close friends. For fuck's sake, she and Chuck are actually planning on buying a cute little house with a white picket fence.

    The sudden "I WANT TO BE MORE NORMAL" wouldn't have been out of place back then when she was realizing exactly what she missed by becoming Jenny Burton: Teen Spy Recruit. But for her to freak out about it so much now, when she's so much closer to "normal" than ever before just seems bizarre.

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  96. I don't think it is as bad as Muuuurder. But it reminds me of it... and now I know why.

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  97. Cor, I have always considered myself far more tuned into the characters than most people in this fandom and I prove it every season. But you may be just as tuned in because you nailed it.

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  98. HGF, thanks. :D Looks like the (Chuck) Force is strong WITH me.

    Cor

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  99. One thing that I don't think anyone has mentioned.

    I actually hated this the most about the episode.

    The whole point of the episode was Chuck pretending to be Morgan in order to draw out the Viper.

    But doesn't Decker know who Morgan is and what he looks like.

    Wouldn't he have sent a picture of Morgan to the Viper.

    From the episode we know the Viper knew that Chuck really wasn't Morgan because she sent the decoy and then goes into Buymore looking for Morgan later on.

    The one thing I learned is that the Viper was much smarter than Chuck or Sarah.

    That should have been written better and differently.

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  100. Yep... like I said, they are the dumbest fuckin' spies ever.

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  101. I think u guys r putting way too much thought into this, i actually rlly liked this episode and ok sure it's not as good as when the show first started but we've come along way since then and i still like what they are doing with the show and for it's last season i'm just gonna enjoy it and not nitpick things like this. C'mon it's fucking Chuck they can do whatever they want and it's their last season lets just enjoy the ride and see where it take us instead of complaining. This show is chucking awesome!!

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  102. I'm obviously putting more thought into Chuck than the writers did for this episode.

    The part of Chuck and Sarah even going to the Buymore convention was pointless.

    That was just too poorly written and thought out for me to overlook it.

    It's a no brainer that Decker would know what Morgan looked like and would have given a picture of him to the Viper.

    After all if Decker didn't give the Viper a picture of Morgan how the hell could he expect the job to get done.

    It's probably the worst written episode of the entire series.

    They should have done something like Chuck, Sarah and Casey know the Viper is coming after Morgan so they wait for her to show up at the Buymore.

    They could've kept Morgan on lockdown at Castle and then when the time came could have used him as bait to lure the Viper out.

    If they would have done it that way or something similar to that i probably would've really liked the episode.

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  103. I heartily disagree with your assessment of this episode. I admit fully, I read your review before watching this episode, what can I say I'm a sucker for some spoilers.
    I expected a really terrible episode and instead got a episode I really enjoyed, not as much as a few episodes but it was probably my favorite episode of this season.
    Now regarding the implied antifeministic tendencies.
    I just dont see it. You use the point of Awesome and Elle switching roles and Awesome going back to work, I have personally experienced this. I have two friends the wife was making Substantially more money (we're talking 5 digits more) and they had a kid. Well those 5 digits equaled out to more hours, in the end she didnt want to spend the time away from the child and stepped down to a lower role (losing more than the 5 digits) so she could spend more time with her child, its not uncommon for new mothers especially on their first children to do this on their own, its not that they need to or even had any clue they wanted to do this before hand (or this particular friend would have never taken her promotion) but their maternal instincts kicked in and they wanted the time with their child.

    I didnt see Casey taking out the Assasin team as being anything regarding Conservative male or anything like that, I think its because you can remove casey from the team dynamic (and put him in prison) for an episode or two where as if Sarah were in prison Chuck would go nuts (seriously think of the few times she has been in peril for a whole episode he has lost it every time)
    Your conspiracy theory regarding Morgan and Alex breaking up to get an actor out of the equation for an episode I get, but at the same time doesnt make sense to me, if that really were the reason they could just as easily have jettisoned her for an episode or two just by not writing her in this was only what her second episode of the season? he broke up with her by text last week and I dont even think showed her in person, to me the way Alex/Morgan is going is Chuck/Sarah, they have said over and over again that they want to get to Season 1 Chuck, well they cant break up Sarah/Chuck so they do the Season 1 Romance with Alex and Morgan instead.

    Regarding the attempted murder, he wasnt attempting murder, he was attempting to bring "His" Jeff back (not justifying it), it was stupid logic on Lesters part, but based on the Lester Charactet I could see it.

    Sarah's friends, The Cat Squad isnt normal friends and Morgan, Casey, Elle, Awesome etc are all Chuck's friends and sometimes people need their own friends that are their friends and not someone elses through them, that being said especially Elle it did shock me that she felt like she needed a girl friend and didnt even mention Elle.
    Lastly on Casey knowing about Star Wars, even non star wars fans (my wife for example, she like the original trilogy but is not really a super fan or anything) knows that the second trilogy pails in comparison to the first trilogy, I was threatened the other day that if I forced her to sit through Jar Jar Binks that she would force me to sit through all of the harry potter movies again, even the early boring ones.

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  104. Actually, from a pure execution point of view, this episode was very weak, which is why it is surprising to hear anyone praise it. The pacing is off, even some of the actors are half-assing their scenes. It's just not a consistent episode. It's as if they rushed through it.

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  105. Richard, you are taking the chauvinism points too literally per scene. It is the totality of the episode, as in the theme from the writers, to which I referenced. This is what the writers were trying to say... a woman belongs home making dinner and babies.

    Plus, I bet those of you who don't have a problem with it are raging conservatives anyway. :)

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  106. Magnus what actors gave bad performances in your opinion? cause to me they looked ok
    This is an episode where i was familiar with the guest stars from other shows and i really don't see any bad acting from either of them
    I know Catherine Dent from The Shield i watched it briefly in the past and she didn't felt off in Chuck
    As for David Koechner, he basically played Todd Packer and he had some funny bits : )
    The only one who was not so good in my opinion was Richard Burghi and i think that has a lot to do with the character not with him as an actor
    Chuck had great villains in the past unfortunately Decker feels more like a "Muahaha" Comic book type of villain

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  107. oh boy..i'd rate this episode 90/100..i don't have to explain why but it just felt like we are really saying goodbye to CHUCk..

    By the way...I liked the married spy couple's make out session..

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  108. HGF's right. It's, say, "*a* Sarah obsessively longs for a more normal life" and "*b* Ellie wants to totally give up her job to stay at home" and "*c* Alex can only get shoved in a closet by the men when there's trouble", etc. It's not *a* is unbearably chauvinistic, or *b*, by itself. It's *a* PLUS *b* PLUS *c* PLUS others that adds up to a consistent tone of something uncomfortable.

    Also, the woman at the BuyMore convention bemoaning how ten years there has made her fat and unattractive? That's all we learn about her. She could actually be the best damn employee ever but she's FATTYFATFAT and for women that's a no-no.

    I'm more inclined than you to give Casey taking out Viper et. al a pass. I agree that in an episode with lots of implied chauvinism already yet one more scene with the man taking care of business looks uncomfortable on first glance.

    We've seen that Sarah's great at things like hand-to-hand but a pure sharpshooting feat like that has pretty much always been presented as a Casey specialty. So it's more an issue of whose established skills were needed to get the job done.

    It's kind of a consistent portrayal with their characters--rare for this episode. The other incidences of chauvinism really are bad since they're typically against established character personality or capability. I agree that there's probably a vague aura of discomfort around it anyway just by association with all the other bullshit.

    (On a sidebar? From these first four episodes and how much Casey's been involved, I'm sort of wondering if Fedak and Friends are saying to Baldwin for s5: "Sorry we really gave you nothing to do these last two seasons.")


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  109. Cor, they are getting Casey involved because he's probably going to die at the end. You can't kill off fan favorites until the series is ending! And I think Fedak said no one was safe. Money's on Casey.

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  110. Oh, please. Everybody knows they're totally going to kill Chuck off! Or kill Bryce Larkin. Again.

    Cor

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  111. Zombie Bryce wants to eat Intersected braaaaaains? So this means we'll see the return of the Intersect soon.

    Cor

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  112. Actually, yes. You WILL see the return of the Intersect soon.

    Though, it **** ** ** *** *** ***** ** **** ** **.

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  113. "Though it won't be on NBC for weeks or ever be on."

    OMG spoiler! NBC hates Chuck so much! This is all because you led that "cancel Chuck" campaign, isn't it?

    Cor

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  114. My cancel CHUCK campaign was very successful.

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  115. Clearly you've chosen to use your god-like powers for evil.

    Cor

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  116. Why have powers if you're not going to use them for evil?

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  117. Do you also have a secret lair with its own ice cream parlor?

    Cor

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  118. Sweet. Can I join your evil organization?

    Cor

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  119. I have a feeling that TPTB have decided to give the fans just what they want, without a care about the plot, the "depth" of the story and all that have been in four years. Or at least, to give it to one part of the fandom, that is actually enjoying the show right now. Also because they know what the fate of the show will be, no matter what they do or don't.
    That's why, IMO, this episode, and the previous one, were a bit lame. But right now, I have decided to enjoy the show without looking too much in the horse's mouth: in other words, I have set the bar so low that I can hardly complain, if not for discussion's sake...

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  120. Cor, sure.

    Henry, I would just think that people would want what they want delivered better.

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  121. Don't overestimate people, especially when they are fans (of anything).
    Then, I am not you, so I might be wrong as well... :)

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  122. I tend to overestimate people's taste, it's true.

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  123. "I tend to overestimate people's taste, it's true."

    As with any of your blander meats, seasoning helps.

    Jim

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  124. Chuck: "my wife likes me clean shaven"

    She also likes you with slightly longer hair so she can run her hands through it, wait that is me living vicariously through Sarah, does not matter, grow your hair dumbass!

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  125. Though, it **** ** ** *** *** ***** ** **** ** **.

    Though, it wont be in the old place it used to be.

    Winner!

    Lonz

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  126. I have to say I disagree almost completely with everything you have said about this episodes.I thought it was really good.

    i would like to concentrate on a couple of you points. You say you tralk about how demeaning it is that Saragh has to have Casey take out Vipers team but if you watched the episode she sent him to do just that, so how is that demeaning? She sent him as she had family commitments with Eliie, if anything it empowers her as she got him to do it, does it demean General Beckman when she gets people to do things, I dont think so. You talk about Alex being put in the supply closet but that was by Morgan on explicit instructions from Casey to keep his daughter safe, he does not know that she can handle herself as only casey was there when she defended herself against him. Who is at fault here Morgan for wanting to protect the girl he loves, and stay alive otherwise casye will kill him, or Casey wanting to protect his daughter. Neither of these seem chauvanistic, or anti women to me.
    You then lambast them from showing Ellie wanting to be at home with a baby, women have children all the time and most of those have to go back to work as they have bills to pay etc. Ellie is a Doctor a well paid and rewarding job that i am sure she enjoys however she is not the first woman who wishes to spend more time at home with her baby and she will not be the last, you think that is just to sideline her or Devon for a while and that is probably true given the budget they have to live within but it opens up for more Ellie involvement as she will not be at work but may still want adult things to occupy her ie intersect, or possibly more involvement with the spy stuff.

    Several people have alluded how stupid Sarah and Casey are now compared to when they where government agents, but you cant really compare them as now they are private individuals and dont have the same resources available, and they have to stay within the Law. Surely to be a good spy involved a: doing what you are told to do, and b: not getting caught primarily aand dead secondary. These characters now are there own boss so they are not being told what to do they have to think about what to do, and that does not involve just killing anyone, and they have people they love and care about. Compare that with Caseys attitude before 'Either I leave or they die' they now have something to live for not just the mission.

    Lastly you say why would Sarah want a friend is a bit strange as she does not really have any, you mention Casey, Morgan Ellie and Alex and Cat squad but they are her partner, Husbands best friend, Sister in law, Husbands best friends girlfriend. None of these are hers.. Carina she has seen 4 times in 5 years and Zondra twice so as far as we know she has no freinds of her own and it is basic human nature to connect with others why should she not want to do that?

    I really enjoyed this episode and would put it in the top 10 of the series.

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  127. "I have to say I disagree almost completely with everything you have said about this episodes"

    It's OK. The majority of people are impressed with mediocrity. How else would CBS dominate ratings?

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  128. Oh and so far, every single argument about Sarah's friends has been nothing more than a desperate attempt to explain away bad writing. Sarah herself acknowledges it IN THE EPISODE.

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  129. The funny thing is that with Sarah's past there is good material for her to have these feelings of inadequacy about her ability to make normal friends. I mean she had no friends at all in high school and since then it has been a CIA career (I suppose they paid for her time at Harvard) so it comes across that she has never had the opportunity.

    They seem to be kind of done with doing overly dramatic storylines and do not want to push past sappy with Chuck and Sarah...so it is what it is. Man I just wish this show was more stable in the fucking ratings...the story arcs would have been so much more stable. I still love the show.

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  130. All the issues of it being inconsistent with previous character that I've already brought up aside there's yet another level of "what the fuck" total lack of logic at work here with Sarah's need for "normal" friends.

    Namely? Uh...didn't she learn anything from how much stress and angst there was in s1-3 Chuck about him NOT being able to tell his friends and family about his actual life? He certainly complained about it a lot so it's not like she can claim to be unaware.

    So she wants to go get random friends and not be able to be honest with them? (Even as a mercenary rather than a government agent there's still got to be a decent level of confidentiality expected by their clients.)

    Yeah. Much better idea than focusing on the numerous friends she has already who she knows she can trust. Real great logic there, Sarah.

    Cor

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