17 September, 2011

FRINGE Season 4 episodes 1 and 2 review


First off, I am not going to dive into spoilery material much, but there will likely be a few things that could possibly spoil elements of the episode for you. So, don't read this review of you don't want to know anything. Otherwise, read away knowing that what I say will mostly just touch on my reactions to what I watched.

FOX says:

"Neither Here Nor There" - Episode 4.01

THE FRINGE TEAM TAKES NEW SHAPE AS THE IMPACT OF PETER’S HEROIC CHOICE UNFOLDS IN THE FOURTH SEASON PREMIERE OF “FRINGE” FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, ON FOX.

FRI SEPT 23 9/8c

I say:
"I need to erase someone from time."
The episode kicks off with the recent changes to the FRINGE world after the events of the season 3 finale. Pacey Poof, aka Peter, is gone and seemingly forgotten but not entirely erased from time. The episode does reference him and reveals part of "the trigger" (look for my spoiler somewhere on this site) but also moves forward with a case-of-the-week that brings a new member to the team. But at all time the audience is aware of Poof's existence, or lack thereof. I would compare this to a will-they-won't-they type romance device used on oh so many shows, but this time the anticipation is always in the expectation that Peter will somehow appear. Does he? Will he? Tune in!

What is clear is that Pacey Poof's actions and the Observer's attempt to "fix" time, have different levels of effect on those he knew and loved. Parts of that story-line remind me of "The Constant" arc on LOST. I am sure some people will find a way to have a problem with that. I am not one of those people.

I am not going to write a point-by-point of the episode, I am sure others will do a fine job of that. I will just say that I think there are very strong elements to "Neither Here Nor There" and those who are heavily invested in the Peter arc will be glued to their seat. There is also an interesting MEN IN BLACK vibe near the end that I loved.

Score
95 out of 100

FOX says:

"One Night in October" - Episode 4.02

A SERIAL KILLER FORCES THE TWO FRINGE TEAMS TO WORK TOGETHER ON AN ALL-NEW “FRINGE” FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, ON FOX

FRI SEPT 30 9/8c

I say:
"She bought my ignorance with baked goods..."
The episode continues pretty much from where the last left off (minus the intro, which is related to the case-of-the-week). The show digs more into the feelings between the people of the two worlds toward each other while also fighting through the plot of the previous episode. The two worlds have to work together and it seems no one on our side likes it much.

There are some cool Olivia/Fauxlivia scenes here. Anna Torv didn't have to do much interacting with herself in season 3 but now it is an important part of the story. Those who think she was robbed of a nomination by the Emmy voters will be screaming even louder now. I am really interested to see where this whole Olivia/Fauxlivia thing goes. There are so many possible scenarios for fun interactions, betrayals, friendships, and so on between these two. I wonder how Torv doesn't get confused... I guess that is what being a professional is all about.

There is also a theme going about Walter's melancholy that allows the phenomenal John Noble to extend his acting chops beyond our already high expectations. Walt is different without his Peter and we know he has to eventually find him, wherever he is, to be complete. I felt very sad for his character. Oh, Pacey Poof... come back!

I have never been much of a fan of the case-of-the-week on FRINGE and I am struggling to care about what it means to the first two episodes, but at least the second episode adds an interesting element to it with the complexity of the two worlds interacting with each other. However, halfway through the second episode I just wanted to get to the Pacey stuff that I know is just waiting to reveal more.

Thankfully, we won't be waiting long for that.

The episode is very good but loses some points from me because I feel the case-of-the-week takes away from my need for more Pacey Poof stuff! Anna Torv owns every scene she is in, especially when playing off herself. The cooperation between the two worlds makes for a fun new dynamic. And Pacey Poof is... well, the episode ends on a high note which is why it earns a higher score than the first.

Score
96 out of 100


63 comments:

  1. uuuugggghhhhhhhh one week!!!!

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  2. You are a pro at saying little but making it sound epic. Fox should pay you. Thanks for the preview..... will be hard waiting to see what happens next.

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  3. Heh, thanks. They don't pay me but they probably should. At least WB should!

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  4. P.S.

    To the fanboys and fangirls of fansites, who are fragile little pieces of baby bunny cries, I call him Pacey Poof because it makes me laugh. I could not give any shits less about the show on which he played some dude named Pacey, nor am I mocking the actor for being on that show.

    Fuckin' fangirls....

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  5. Fuck me with a sppon you licky bitch I want your screeners! Great writeup brah.

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  6. There are so many things wrong with what you just typed... but the one that I am focusing on is what I think you are saying... related to... fucking you with a spoon.

    Why would anyone do that?

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  7. I suppose the only fucking nutjobs that will complain about the lack of pacey will be the same ones who still to this day complain about a certain season of chuck. I just dismiss them as wankers, but I do wonder if Joshua Jackson still gets paid for the episodes that he misses? or is this whole thing a way of reducing a budget for a bubble show which we know will have had it's budget really slashed a lot this year, lol. I mean with a full season order they hit marty mcfly 88 baby! So ROCK ON you fringe BITCHES!

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  8. I doubt it is about budget stuff. Actors are rarely the most expensive thing on a show, unless the show is a massive success.

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  9. Ok I read it, because I clicked on it before I read your warnings..and I forgotten I had it open in my browser.. my mind is spinning as fast as a rodent can in it's wheel that gets them No where..but now I'm creating scenarios in my own head as far as what the TWO episodes will be of and how Pacey Poof's dad will be without Pacey..so does that mean Olivia is in charge of Pacey Poof's dad since you know technically he is out on parole?

    @pinayskye

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  10. Yeah, Olivia is Walter's keeper. Similar story line to what happened originally but minus Pacey Poof, with some things different here and there.

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  11. I realized, in watching the second episode back, that Torv does NOT own "every scene" she is in. There is one moment as Fauxlivia that is the worst acting moment of Torv's career. It's like she isn't sure how to play the character. I had to rewind it to watch it a few times. I would have cut that scene and maybe they will in the final edit. I will let you know once I see the episode.

    Otherwise, she is great. Oh and she looked pretty hawt last night on the Emmys.

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  12. Wait, aren't you the guy who said you lusted for Joshua Jackson? There's a poof here, but I'm not sure it's Pacey! :-)

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  13. "once I see the episode"

    I mean on scheduled TV.

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  14. I do lust after Pacey Poof... but in a totally hetero way. :)

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  15. "There is one moment as Fauxlivia that is the worst acting moment of Torv's career."

    Worse than channeling Leonard Nimoy? This I gotta see.

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  16. It is similar... since she seems to be trying to fit into the body of Fauxlivia. So, technically it is worse since at least she was trying to be Leonard Nimoy. This time, it is like she is trying to remember how to be a character she created and it is silly.

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  17. Just watched the premier and wow...they really have not learnt anything have they? The observers noting that lincoln and olivia used to know each other...lazy writing. The theme of having someone missing in your life or something missing...lazy writing. The case of the week was a snore. The better get pacey back really quick because if they leave him out for more then 1 or 2 episodes then this shows ratings are going to dip below 1.0 in the key demo and they are going to be dead like half of nbc's shows. This just felt like a giant reset had been pressed and now they are in continuous set up mode..maybe joshua jackson realised that this is a train wreck and decided to be in the show as little as possible. Get a little distance before it all goes to crap. Lincoln Lee is one heck of tone deaf actor and kinda one dimensional....this is what we gave up for pacey? I know Fringe likes to setup stories and then not finish them like the pattern, massive dynamic, peters journey into the other side at the end of season 2, the end of season 3...but this is so so so so poor. Fucking hell this is poor. Some shows like Breaking Bad, Mad Men and to a certain extent Chuck are serialised and they have two aspects...the characters and the worlds they inhabit. With Those three shows you rarely see the customer/drug dealers/cartel/etc or the clients at the ad agency or Chuck's enemies because they focus on the characters instead. Fringe tries to do both and they are doing a poor job at both...everything is tell but no show the characters are telegraphing the story...time to bail out before it gets any worse.

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  18. John, you are being wayyyy too harsh and expecting way too much in episode 1. This is how many fans destroy shows for themselves. They don't let anything play out before deciding it is piss poor writing. Sure, some of it is a tad too obvious, but like with CHUCK, the writers are constantly writing for an audience that isn't already converted to the elements the fans are familiar with and feel unnecessary to rehash.

    And before you tell me that only the hardcore fans are left, Nielsen statistics say otherwise.

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  19. I do not mean to sound harsh but some of these groan inducing moments are just so unnecessary. I mean take box cutter or the first episode of season 4 mad men....you saw the repercussions of the previous season finale in full force. It was not done through tonnes of clunky dialogue and exposition but a brilliant tone and atmosphere that .....nevermind. The damage has been done, some critics like sepinwall have already called them out and others like Ryan Magee and Noel Murray are giving them rope to either hang themselves or come up with a brilliant solution. What I do not understand is that these guys are crap with tying up their stories ...as mentioned in my previous post, why spend what is most likely their last season doing a storyline that will ultimately fail? Lol.

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  20. John what are you doing comparing Fringe with Breaking Bad and Mad Men? That is such a fucking insult to those two shows! Those two shows are multiple Emmy winners in major categories during their entire runs! Best Drama, Best Writing, Best Actor, Best Supporting Actor and so on and so forth. They are critically aclaimed, when their actors do major dialogue it is mesmirising awesome dialogue! You as Head Geek Furious says are expecting wayyyy tooooo much from a substandard show! LOL!

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  21. With all due respect to Sepinwall, he is known for doing this kind of "calling out" thing and then taking it back later. So, while I am a fan of his writing, I take his negativity with a grain of salt. He can change his mind at any point.

    Plus, at the end of the day, I don't watch television to have my opinions validated by a critic, nor to match up with a critic. I like what I like and I liked this episode very much. I actually think next week's episode has bigger problems than this week's, but with a bigger shove of the bigger arc, and I bet the same people bitching about this episode will happily ignore those problems next week because they get more of what they want to see.

    Just how CHUCK 3.14 is often hailed as the best episode of the series, even though it has a weak plot, weak writing outside of a couple of scenes, and is wholly obvious at every turn. Fans got what they wanted and so it is mostly loved by them all. You can't get progress in every episode unless you plot it out slowly like THE WIRE. And that just doesn't work on television. It didn't even work on THE WIRE during its initial run. It has taken a few years for the masses to appreciate that type of story telling, but no network show can survive on that.

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  22. And BREAKING BAD is brilliantly written dialogue wise. They create strong characters... but 80% of the episodes are obvious. MAD MEN on the other hand is a truly unique show where characters do what makes sense based on established character arcs, and the stories often surprise us because the randomness of life is so well written into the episodes so as not to feel tossed in just to shock the audience.

    And MAD MEN gets shit ratings. It could not survive on any other network except maybe HBO.

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  23. James, this happens to a lot of people... they fall in love with something and elevate the value of that thing far beyond what it deserves.

    FRINGE is a show a lot of people fell for around the time they were falling out of love with something else, and it replaced the disappointment they felt for the other show(s) they felt had "failed" them. But now FRINGE is the next victim of their discontent because they elevated it to a status it never deserved.

    Sometimes you love something so much you squeeze all the life out of it. That is when we need a good friend to come up behind us and blow our fuckin' brains out with a shotgun.

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  24. Season 3 and beyond syndrome...lol. As soon as a show starts telling a story you no longer like or it marginalises a character you love it does piss some off. I liked chuck season 3 and it's intent but fuck did I hate how Sarah lost her agency....lol. I want pacey back! Lol. In regards to breaking bad, yeah it is obvious but they can do that because they are living off 3 years worth of set up. Janes death, plane crash, tuco, gus, mike, hank, etc, etc, etc. The show worked very hard so that they can do that and so....awesome! Lol.

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  25. Season 3 syndrome affects almost EVERY show. You watch, COMMUNITY is going to get shit on this season. It won't even matter if it deserves it or not, it's in season 3. Time to shit on it.

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  26. Yeah! Chuck got some serious hate in season 3 and to an extent season 4. I never understood that, most of the fucking shit was from crazy mother fucking shippers....the funny thing is they lauded season 2 but chuck and Sarah like kissed two or three times in the season, lol. In later season three and throughout season four they were all over each other (sometimes groaning creepily, lol) and yet people bitched.

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  27. Season 2 of CHUCK played the angst card so much that I think some fans blew their load in 2.21. So, when things didn't go their way (which should have been obvious), they decided nothing but absolute Chuck and Sarah nirvana (3.14) would suffice.

    And then they couldn't stand that they weren't engaged by 4.11 or married by 4.13. Impatient twats.

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  28. 1.5 .....goodbye sweetheart.

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  29. "Sure, some of it is a tad too obvious, but like with CHUCK, the writers are constantly writing for an audience that isn't already converted to the elements the fans are familiar with and feel unnecessary to rehash.

    And before you tell me that only the hardcore fans are left, Nielsen statistics say otherwise."

    Even some of us viewers who watch the show regularly, haven't seen it since it aired in early May. I don't live and breathe the show, so, to be honest, a little reminder doesn't hurt.

    As for the Nielsen statistics, in any given Fringe episode, anywhere from a quarter to a third of the audience DID NOT watch the previous episode. Over the course of 4 episodes, only 20% of the audience saw all 4 episodes.

    I'd say it's better to be a tad obvious for the hardcore viewer who is going to watch no matter what than to confuse and alienate the more casual viewer who can easily give up.

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  30. @MediaSavant

    No doubt that there is a line of thought that it is good to try and refresh for the casual viewers, but to me it does threaten the legitimacy of the serialised aspects of the show. The momentum of what they may or may not have had from last years finale has sort of fallen flat and restarting the story kinda gets a little frustrating.

    Looking at the internet and some comments I have to agree that Fringe has dropped a lot of storylines over it's life...it is like they come to a juicy bit of the story and bang...the story is dead.

    I do enjoy the show but reading the collider interview that Wyman and Pinkner did is worrysome. They just do not understand people's gripes and are being really condescending about it, they throw out phrases that are meant to be reassuring that they know what they are doing and that they understand certain characters like Peter are important but they never back them up with a reasonable answer. For example: The interviewer puts it out there and says that what do you say to fans that are not happy with the lack of Joshua Jackson in the last 2 seasons and there response is that he is part of the DNA and there are answers coming. That is all fair but it is a pretty crappy answer, why not say he will be back in a certain episode and there will be plenty of him from there on out..they do not do that and this will effect ratings, they are not making life easier for themselves, just like Josh Schwartz or Chris Fedak never make it easy for their show when they dismiss the fans concerns. Or in Chris Fedak's case doing an interview and purposely screwing with the fans. I just hope they take the Vince Gilligan response method and be a little more honest..he freely admits for example that he intended to kill Jesse off in the first season and that he would have made a mistake and that it is process in tv that you are always figuring stuff out as you go along and mistakes can be made. I mean that kind of honesty is refreshing and considering he has a much better show then either Fringe or Chuck it does beg the questing whether or not showrunners who are arrogant or condescending even though they do not have the tallent to back it up may affect their shows potential ratings. I mean Breaking Bad's ratings are crap but they have improved over the shows life.

    Food for thought.

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  31. @Jonny

    The simple answer to the Joshua Jackson question...I have a friend on the Fringe set and I have heard that there have been rumours of behind the scenes unrest between JJ and the showrunners about his characters material since the end of season 2. If you see quotes from the showrunners about JJ return to the show it is always that he is under contract and so will be back and not that he important to the show, etc, etc. This is why also I heard Seth Gable was brought in as a series regular. At this point I think they are going to use JJ as little as possible until the series ultimate cancellation whick should be this season. Personally this was bound to happen when a star like Josh who has been in loads of movies with A list actors and also Dawson Creek is marginalised by inferior actors, ce la vie.

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  32. James, I have an ACTUAL friend who works on the set of FRINGE and he says you are full of shit.

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  33. I know you have a lot of sources everywhere. The WB, NBC, Heavon if it existed. But are you sure he is full of shit? I mean maybe he does know someone really high up, you never know.

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  34. There is no heaven, so... no.

    And am I sure that what James said is total bullshit (and at best, a rumor he may have heard about)? 100%, yes.

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  35. You're preview of episode 2 has me excited for tonight! I thought Episode 1's COW was totally pointless, but I was willing to forgive considering it was the first episode back and really it was geared toward exposition I thought of how things are now with the melded universes and sans Peter. Looking forward to creepy serial killer and some more emotional exploration tonight.

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  36. Should be interesting to see people's reactions after tonight.

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  37. "maybe your type does not exist in this universe"
    "some people leave an indelible Mark on your soul"
    Can the fringe people phone it in anymore? Clunky dialogue continues and the episodic themes are too transparent, we get it! Peter is gone and his loss is being felt. Marjorie = Peter! Got it! If one event went another way in a single moment of time then a persons whole life could change....got it! If Peter never existed then the whole fringe team would be different....my god are these fringe episodes pathetic and awful. Yikes. I look forward to see what Joshua Jackson does next season.

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  38. Now being able to see the episodes and compare your reaction to mine I agree 80% with you. I liked episode 2 a lot more and really liked the case. It matched the theme of Peter's impression on the world after being deleted, or whatever he is. Loved the ending and can't wait to see next week's.

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  39. See, Coolio, I ignored all the clunky dialogue and shitty writing in favor of where the story is going with it. I agree that hammering the same fuckin' point over and over brings the intellect of the show down, but I also understand why the writers feel the need to do it.

    It just sucks when they do.

    However, I doubt we will see it used beyond these first two episodes. The point has been made. Peter is missed, even if the people in our world don't realize it yet. However, I think the angst is only going to increase in a few episodes. I can see the writing on the wall with respect to Olivia and her finding "new love."

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  40. This reminds me of the beginning of duck season 3. The writers knew that they were writing a story some fans will hate and spent the first or intact 13 episodes apologising for it. Look the fringe people like duck people did not or do not give a fuck about Sarah walker or peter bishop....fans get over it? Show runners stop fucking apologising through shitty episodes and move the fucking story forward. Also please let Josh Jackson out of his contact so he can do something better with his timeinstead of being a plot device.

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  41. Fucking iPad I meant chuck..appologies.

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  42. This is an example of great dialogue....."he might lose his foot!" "right when he got it in the door"

    Enough said.

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  43. I can agree with you on the apologizing angle. I mean, when you have a show that is already borderline surviving, don't spend any time trying to win over anyone with your explanations. Just do it. I didn't mind the over simplification of the Peter stuff in episode 1, but it bothered me more in episode 2.

    Still, I like where this is going and I know what happens up to episode 4, so I am not going to get too down on the show for a couple of missteps in delivering their point.

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  44. 1.2....the beginning of the end. Hehehehe

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  45. It was the end anyway. WB isn't going to lowball the cost of the show again. Anyone who ever believed FRINGE was going to survive past the 4th season is delusional.

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  46. Well they were running out of ideas anyway...so not much of a loss anyway, lol. No wonder jj does not give a rats ass what story they tell.

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  47. Either schadenfreude or I am a glutten for punishment... I keep watching hopeing to see something worthwhile

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  48. I think you just like to bitch and are never going to find anything of quality, no matter what.

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  49. As much as I bitch and moan, if you look at the interviews being done with the two show runners (wyman and Pinkner) you can see that they are under pressure, serious pressure to deliver a product that can gain ratings and give themselves a renewal chance. Is there story all over the place? yes. Is there a straight line you can run through the series for any given character? no. But maybe that makes the show interesting that there is no structure and besides to all you Josh Jackson fans...he probably still gets paid for every episode! plus he will make money (probably) for writing some fringe comic books. So not all is lost and if it is the last season (most likely based on the pitiful ratings) then just enjoy the show till the end. These are the same people who created lost and one thing they will not do is appologise or answer questions when it finishes, they will move on and so should you.

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  50. It is funny how there are these crazy shipper types in every fandom. If it isn't a relationship they are insane about, then it is a character. Instead of just sitting back and enjoying the story being told, they harp on the things that they WANT to see happen, no DEMAND to see happen, and ruin the show for themselves.

    Just quit. If a show hasn't worked for you in a long time, why stick with it? I quit shows once I find I am not enjoying them anymore. This isn't like your favorite fuckin' band, where one album may suck but the next may get better, this is an album every week that you fuckin' hate.

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  51. Yeah you got to think that the same people shitting on Chuck during season 3 are the same people shitting on Fringe now. They are not fans of either Chuck or Fringe they are just people who have way too much time on their hands who like to cause trouble and upset fans of shows that are willing to ride the wave and see where things go. I mean it is so easy to crap on a show on the bubble, story does not go right then ratings dip a little and right away these people pounce and try to link the two together! In a way critics do not help ( I do not think they mean to upset the show runners or fans) but when Ryan Magee or Alan Sepinwall link the success of Fringe to resolving Peters situation it puts too much pressure on the show to deliver. When Mo Ryan gives Fedak a hard time post Other Guy and says (in a round about way) that the storyline they did not only alienated fans but could have had an adverse affect on ratings it just gives these nutjobs more ammunition to troll and spit out bullshit and in turn create more pressure then needed on showrunners (especially network tv runners) that have little time to form story arcs and produce a tv show. I feel for network tv showrunners who do not have the time or resources or in some cases like mad men and breaking bad....a network that allows for versatility in their story making. I mean AMC would never ask breaking bad or mad men to reset storylines to try and win new fans or infact any other cable show, but that is what NBC and FOX do and they are a lot more involved in the process and thus limit creativity that cable networks do not. I mean on FX Louie, It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia and Archer have more or less a free hands to do what they want for a reduce licencing fee...no such luck on a cable show due to the network business model.

    Head Geek Furious is right...just quit the show and watch something that gets you less angry...something like a cable show that plays by its own rules...

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  52. The thing is, these same people will often give a pass to shows like DEXTER or BREAKING BAD or JUSTIFIED simply because those are the big award shows for essentially being well written DIALOGUE shows. But the stories on all three of those shows tend to be wholly predictable. The only current shows that I can think of that are not wholly predictable are MAD MEN and GAME OF THRONES (well, unless you read the books).

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  53. I agree, plus people are stupid and they take their cues wayyyyy tooo much from critics because they have no mind of their own. I mean is it any coincidence that Justified, Breaking Bad and Mad Men are universally loveed by critics and guess what happens....fans love them too! lol. I meand yesterdays episode of Breaking Bad did something that may be viewed as contrived (the Brock situation) and yet critics went with it and so did fans!!!! lol. It may be resolved next episode in the finale but even if it is not fans will still not care, lol.

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  54. Mmmhmmm... I thought last night's BREAKING BAD was melodrama. It was right up there with yesterday's DOWNTON ABBEY.

    To paraphrase Apollo in the season 3 finale of BSG... those darling shows are all forgiven. But other shows the critics have stopped gushing over, they have to die... they have to die because they are seen as weak and had the temerity to survive anyway.

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  55. Do not watch downtown Abbey, but I totally get your BSG reference about Apollo sitting on the stand saying that decisions were hard when the Cylons took over Caprica. Basically Baltar should not be punished for trying to make the best of a bad situation...Network tv shows should be the same...they are up against it compared to cable and comparing the two is unfair...am I close to understanding your statement?

    About last nights Breaking Bad...yeah I think part of the underwhelming feeling I got from the episode was that it was quite a lot of setup for the season finale, it was like part 1 of 2 episodes. I have no doubt they will tie everything together and if it goes the way I think it does I know who the new nemesis might be (multinational anyone?) and the beginning of Walt's Scarface phase beginning...but even if niether of those things pan out, man oh man what a fucking run this season has been on. Since Shotgun all the way to crawl space this show has been just fucking killing it, They have so much good will (for me anyway) from this season alone let us not forget 3 awesome seasons before that that I am more than willing to see where this goes....I am so excited by the possibilities that my hands are shaking from the awesomeness!

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  56. What I meant with that analogy is that once critics and fanboys decide something is shit, then everyone has to agree or they and the show deserve to be attacked for liking it. And it happens in every form of entertainment. Once the elite decide something is shit, then you are an idiot for liking it and should be shit on for liking it.

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  57. I forgot one thing from my post about the run that season 4 has been on...ever since Walt said he is the guy who knocks...how awesome is it that now everyone knocks instead of ringing the door bell? I mean you can also see the sound guys have amplified the knock just to make the point! lol, also has Walt knocked on a door since then? yay to continuity and awesomeness! hehe!

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  58. BREAKING BAD has great dialogue and acting, no doubt. It is also shot and edited beautifully. My only problem with the show is the same problem I have with JUSTIFIED: it almost never surprises me.

    If those shows could be less obvious in their story telling, I would be totally on their cocks.

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  59. Oh I totally agree that the show is very predicatable, no doubt! But I wonder if that is the beauty of Breaking Bad, that it is a show that does a lot of set up and then spends the rest of the time marinating itself in those moments.

    I mean when Jesse confronts Walt at his house it is so obvious that he is not going to kill Walt and in fact he is going to help Walt take down Gus, but even with that knowledge it does not take away the moment he tells Walt that he knows he is capable of being petty and ripping out his heart (ala poisoning Brock). Apart from the great acting what really makes me engaged is that the show is running off so many different levels, I mean Jesse says these things even though only Walt and the audience rally knows how far he will go to get what he wants and that he has already ripped Jesse's heart out once by letting Jane die, just so he could have things his own way.

    Working on those different levels based on set up is hugely satisfying for me personally. Whereas some shows just keep abandoning story and character arcs and throwing up new ideas and theories that try and keep the audience engrossed but they never really answer anything, lol, or take advantage of the work they put in to set up these situations. I loved Lost and I kinda like Fringe but they leave a lot of questions right up until the end...and sometimes they never even bother answering them.

    So what is better? Simple, predicatable and the knowledge that everything you see will matter and be explained OR complex and mysterious where you just do not know if questions put out there will or will not be answered?

    Interesting.....very interesting. Could it be cable versus network? lol.

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  60. It is definitely cable vs networks. You can't really tell a story in that way on network TV. Well, you can try but it is bound to fail. Cable audiences have been conditioned to have more patience overall.

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  61. Yeah word! I agree that some of the best moments on Mad Men took 3 years to happen! lol. I mean Burt Cooper using his knowledge of Don's past against him? 3 years. Betty finding the truth? 3 years. Don holding Peggy's hand in a meaningful way that was not awkward or weird like in the pilot? 4 years...etc, etc, etc... I mean Network shows that are serialised are hoping to survive year on year let alone plan that far ahead. I mean that is why Sarah Walker's name reveal did not bother me as much as some...what do you do? lol.

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